I've been in a Rivian and Taycan. Pretty sweet high-end luxury vehicles, but not really for the masses. For that price, however, there are many other ICE sports cars I'd rather have. I've been in some hybrids, but the experience was so unremarkable that I don't even remember it happening.

There was a recent study, however, which concluded that hybrids would generate less CO2 than EVs in several dozen states.

If EV's were the future, they wouldn't need perverse government incentives to coax buyers into making a purchase.

 

The Japanese government will keep their big auto companies afloat through subsidy and assumption of legacy retiree costs, just like the US will with Ford and GM.

 

I don't disagree that if you can't supply your customers you lose them. But the statement saying a major reason toyota sales are down is because of their vehicle line up is imo incorrect.

Why are you dubious about the supply chain issues? Are you saying Toyota can produce more vehicles but choose not to? If so why would they do that?

 

It's my understanding that the supply chain issues are specifically in the chip manufacturing department. That's something that would affect virtually all automakers. It also highlights one of the many pitfalls of EV - the fact that we are reliant on China for EV batteries.

 

​​​​​​ We own 4 EV'S now (first one in 2020) and charge at least two of them nightly. Seven days a week. 365 days a year. Zero issues. See the problem with your argument is that that the majority of EV owners charge after midnight, non peak hours so they can pay less and don't strain the grid at all. Maybe people should turn off their AC 'S during the day, because that's where strain on the grid comes from. HVAC systems. Just a thought

 

Funny you mention that, because I've read that the strain of adding one EV to the power grid is "like adding one or two air conditioners".

 

You said the global numbers of the other guys are largely trending up while toyota is declining. Can you please list which of the big auto manufacturers sales increased globally in 2022 vs 2021? Maybe I can be of assistance since you seem to have some incorrect data. A list of the top 10 manufacturers by units sold, Toyota, GM, Ford, VW, Kia/Hyundai, Stellantis, BMW, Mercedes, Nissan, Honda only Ford and Kia/Hyundai saw increases in global sales.

Also, if you want to use the current year 2023, toyota global sales are up 2.6%...as far as i know a +2.6% is not a decline is it?

I am glad to be pointing out misinformation to some simpletons.

 

Will Tesla's competitors be receiving billions in tax credits, too?

 

Who mentioned global? The sales data confirming the declines was for the United States.

 

You need to DRIVE an EV and compare that to a hybrid. Like you said, hybrids are totally forgettable…EVs have a much better driving experience.

Incentives aren’t available on many EVs, and they still sell fine. Like it or not, ICEs are the past. Major manufacturers have ended or significantly scaled back their ICE development and in many parts of the world a time will come when no ICE vehicle can be sold.

 

I think Toyota should do what's in their heart and not try to be everything to everybody.

If they don't have the infrastructure to convert every calorie of energy from gas used in ICE cars and put that strain on their electrical grid, a hybrid makes sense. IMO
Also makes sense for any other country or area where EV is impractical.

The fuel cell is the future but not in the way they are trying to do it..
Maybe a 100 years in the future I don't know but we are not there yet.

When they can affordably use a solid fuel source and strip the aether from the atoms thus creating a proton pump, now you have a real fuel cell, this is my theory.
No 1,000 lbs of batteries will be needed and the current EV will be considered obsolete.

While I see the EV as the next step, it too is a stop gap that I believe Toyota was trying to jump over, leap frog style.
PS- batteries are not new, they been around since 1800's(if I remember, glass jar style) and existed waaaaay before that.

 

I believe there are still some supply chain issues, but why does it seem to affect Toyota the most? As far as your other question, I don't have the answer except maybe they are trying to milk demand? Whatever the reason are, Toyota is seeing downward sales numbers, which is not good optics

 

Completely not true. My AC uses between 40 and 55 kWh per day in the summer months (June through September), while we use between 11 and 27 kWh a day to charge my EV's. My Central Air mainly runs during peak hours (4pm through 8PM) while my EV's charge during non peak (9PM through 2AM). I can publish the numbers from my Home charger if you want

 

Agreed. I would probably drive a hybrid myself, except that Buick still does not offer them on their present crossover lineup.

Yes, as you note, common sense would dictate that fuel cells are the future...but too many companies in the industry are fighting it.

Having said that, though, I do think that GM's Bolt EUV is an excellent job, and if I were in the market for an EUV (and had a recharger for one), that's the first one I would consider....unless Buick electrifies the Encore GX.

 

Hybrids are not low end. Drives very well in my books:

1. McLaren P1
2. Porsche 918 Spyder
3. Ferrari LaFerrari
4. Honda NSX
5. McLaren Artura
6. Ferrari SF90 Stradale
7. Ferrari 296 GTB