The thing that "happened in California" last year which has been referenced a few times in this thread was the state asked people to try to use less power when we were expecting (and subsequently had) some of the hottest days on record (and here in San Jose, we experienced the actual hottest ever recorded temperature).

And you know what? We had NO power outages.

 

Here's a Motor Trend long-term test of their Toyota Mirai:

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...eview-verdict/

 

The Mirai is excellent. My gen 1 was nowhere near as nice as the gen 2, but both are built at the same factory in Japan that builds the LC and built the LFA. They are substantially hand built, and quality is top drawer. The Mirai shares its platform with the LS.

Here’s the problem. Hydrogen is now knocking on the door of $30 per kilo. When I had mine, it was around $13 and widely expected to drop. It turned out it’s more than doubled. Even though Mirai comes with a 15k paid fuel card, that no longer lasts anywhere as long as it once did. And when it’s done, it’s done and you’re on the hook for that $30 per kilo.

that’s what’s going to kill the hydrogen experiment. For all the advantages it has, and the review touches on a few of them, it quickly transitions to being an expensive car to own when you’ve burned through the “free” 15k.

 

Given that water covers some 70% of the earth's surface, and that each molecule of water contains two hydrogen atoms, there's probably more potential hydrogen on earth than any other single element. The main problem, right now, is that the classic method of extracting the hydrogen (Electrolysis....remember those lab-experiments you did in school?) is expensive, small-scale, and not particularly efficient for the amount of hydrogen needed to run a large fleet of vehicles.

 

the sun covers 100%. No extracting needed.

 

because electrolysis needs ELECTRICITY to happen, that can either come from fossil fuels (stupid) or renewables (solar, wind, hydro, etc). just because hydrogen is so abundant doesn't mean it's feasible to access, store, and use in a way that makes much sense.

putting that aside, the SUN and other natural forces produces more power than the world will ever need. seems much more sane to use that than electrolysis.

there will be some niche uses for hydrogen (maybe trucking), and hydrogen could be used as a 'store' for excess energe from renewables, but for mass transportation, i don't think so.

 

Hydrogen on this planet in pure form is not abundant at all that's the problem. If it was we've have no oxygen all the volumetric space would all be taken up by hydrogen.

 

good point!!!

🤡hydrogen needs ELECTRICITY so that the hydrogen can be used to produce ELECTRICITY🤡

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
unlike the sun, hydrogen is NOT AN ENERGY SOURCE

 

That would be me, I charge up every night because I want 1,000hp every day. Yes I am selfish, so be it.

 

You're likely not charging from empty that's my point. When people think full charge they think, full tank of gas from empty.

 

I am against subsidies, but they are part of life.
Do oyu have any idea the dollar amount of big oil subsidies? What do you think it costs us to have the 5th Fleet patrolling the Strait of Hormuz?

 

You forget that some those ships and subs are nuclear-powered...a piece of uranium the size of a human fist takes them around the world.

 

That's not my point. My point is the cost and the reason they are there. This alone makes EV subsidies a blip in comparison. I laugh when I hear "But what about those EV subsidies?"

Big oil gets billions in subsidies (your and my tax dollars). The world runs on oil. Big oil colludes to keep profits where they want them. The only way to mitagate that is with a viable alternative.

 

Its all just driven by personal bias, thats why its so frustrating. Literally every industry is subsidized in some way or another...

 

Oil built the modern world and lifted billions out of poverty. But we now have the technology to replace a large % with clean and renewable energy why anyone is against that is beyond my comprehension.