I've not gone from anywhere to anywhere. Not really relevent to the point here.

Ok. Sure.

On your utility curve.

Can't wait to burn those fossil fuels doing it!


Hand-waving.


More hand-waving.


Why would Tesla and consumers need billions in tax credits if it were?

 

You asked Steve for numbers, he provided them and then you call it hand waving. Not an effective way to foster communication.

Tax credits in the case of EV's are used to help stimulate the transition. Clearly you know that, not sure why you are using that to attempt to say it's "unsustainable."

 

What numbers did he provide. And what did I ask for? Specifically?

The research that suggests adding an EV is like adding "1 to 2 HVAC's" has more to do with the effect on the power grid when such a load occurs, rather than the absolute energy consumption of one particular home. The example of an HVAC is to point out that like ants marching, we all run our AC at about the same time. This effect is compounding from the perspective of the engineers managing the power grid. When suddenly everyone is charging their EV at the same time, the effect will be the same.

That is to say, EV's will present another source of power surge on the grid, like HVACs, one that heretofore never existed. And before you say, "well, they'll just expand the power grid!", explain to me how California can't even expand enough to prevent the need for rolling blackouts.

Stimulate this. I kid.

 

I am not anti EV by any stretch. I am merely pointing out the grid is a challenge, In my opinion, not enough is being done now to hit the target of 2035 in CA. These are sort of arbitrary numbers set by politicians and people who don’t know what needs to be done, but also don’t have to actually do the work.

 

No. The charger will suggest charging overnight, and prompt you to configure it as such. When done, that will happen automatically. Plug in at 6pm, charging starts at 1am or whatever. Longer-term, smart grid will manage the overnight charging process and balance things out nicely. If for some reason, you have to charge NOW, push a button and override the automatic setting.

Think about it like this: you're driving somewhere in the morning and your low fuel light comes on. You pull into a station right next to your destination, where gas is $15/gallon. Your car pops up a prompt saying "would you like me to fill the tank for you this afternoon, when gas will be $5/gallon?" You can either pay full price now, or cut your cost by 2/3 by clicking "ok".

 

"Hand waving" just means he doesn't have a response.

Its all just people arguing points when they don't have the information and numbers to back up what they are saying. They have no interest in looking that data up, because the data doesn't back up their position. All this information is out there with a quick Google, I know because I do so before I post to make sure that I am right. Something more people should do.

It takes about 30kwh to fully charge a Tesla Model 3, a typical one zone central AC system uses about 55 kwh to operate for a day. So, there ya go.

 

I like that!

 

As someone who has lived in both Illinois and California, we on average have fewer power outages here than we had there, and we've never had a rolling blackout in the past 23 years here.

But yes, keep on regurgitating other people's talking points. Non EV-owners pontificating about the EV ownership experience are about as insightful as non-California residents telling us what it's like to live where we live....

 

Ok thread has wandered far off topic and some posters are exhibiting the behaviors I’m addressing in EV forum rules moderator team is currently reviewing.