Toyota done for?
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Those aren't the hybrids he was referring to. Those are $100K plus vehicles with Hybrid assist for quicker acceleration off the line. Nothing wrong with them except they are unaffordable to the average human being
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Zero issues NOW, maybe, but just wait until everybody tries to keep up with the Jones' on EV ownership....and plugs them all in at once.
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You know and I know that nobody is going to plug them all in at the same time. Now most people, companies turn on their AC/HVAC systems to cool their home and buildings at the same time, which you should probably be more concerned with. LOL my dryer uses more energy than my EV's
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Your point about the grid being insufficient for the additional demand is my biggest concern about EV adoption. Considering that the governor of CA told people not to charge their EVs just days after announcing all new car sales in CA will be EVs by 2035 points out the issue. Is anyone really working on the infrastructure? Hard to say but I doubt much is being done at the moment.
The clickbait is amusing. It’s the way of social media. Find an agenda, then find one thing that supports that agenda. Say it loudly and ignore anything that contradicts it. Click, click, money for next to nothing.
The clickbait is amusing. It’s the way of social media. Find an agenda, then find one thing that supports that agenda. Say it loudly and ignore anything that contradicts it. Click, click, money for next to nothing.
Thank You....you are spot-on. We only need to look at what happened in Texas a couple of winters ago during that Arctic outbreak and excessive power-demand for heating homes/buisnesses, the massive power failures it caused, and what has happened several times in California, both from the instance you named, and other unrelated instances, to see what can potentially happen (or worse) if we get too many EVs all trying to charge up at once. Despite the fact that some posters here do not want to face that possibility, it is very real. 
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/02...er-storm-2021/
Short answer is a failure loop occurred because of cold temperatures.
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It's incredible how misinformation somehow becomes fact to some. The grid in Texas never went down because or excessive load from EVs not even close. They had zero to do with the problem.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/02...er-storm-2021/
Short answer is a failure loop occurred becau=mmarshallse of cold temperatures.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/02...er-storm-2021/
Short answer is a failure loop occurred becau=mmarshallse of cold temperatures.
......it was because of the Arctic outbreak, and excessively cold temperatures. My point (and I apparantly have to repeat it) is that to ADD millions of EV to the already overstrained Texas grids from the cold would have been an even worse catastrophe.Now, I will re-post it again...please read it.
Originally Posted by mmarshall
Thank You....you are spot-on. We only need to look at what happened in Texas a couple of winters ago during that Arctic outbreak and excessive power-demand for heating homes/buisnesses, the massive power failures it caused, and what has happened several times in California, both from the instance you named, and other unrelated instances, to see what can potentially happen (or worse) if we get too many EVs all trying to charge up at once. Despite the fact that some posters here do not want to face that possibility, it is very real.
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Which is EXACTLY what I said, if you had actually read my post......it was because of the Arctic outbreak, and excessively cold temperatures. My point (and I apparantly have to repeat it) is that to ADD millions of EV to the already overstrained Texas grids from the cold would have been an even worse catastrophe.
Also you're still insisting hydrogen is the way to go this requires massive electricity from the same grid you say can't handle more load.
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Which is EXACTLY what I said, if you had actually read my post......it was because of the Arctic outbreak, and excessively cold temperatures. My point (and I apparantly have to repeat it) is that to ADD millions of EV to the already overstrained Texas grids from the cold would have been an even worse catastrophe.
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You keep reaching for a problem that doesn't exist. You are also assuming that the grid won't be upgraded or expanded. I get it, you are not for BEV's, but if you are that concerned about strain on the grid, you should push for banning HVAC systems or running them during heatwaves, which is the biggest strain on the grid
I'm not totally against EVs....in fact, I have a high opinion of the Bolt EUV. But if we are going to have them pushed down our throats, at least provide the needed generating-capacity and infrastructure for them. The evidence, so far, shows we aren't doing that. And we could have also been building hydrogen-refill stations for fuel cell cars.....but, instead, have been making excuses why we can't do it.
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I'm not totally against EVs....in fact, I have a high opinion of the Bolt EUV. But if we are going to have them pushed down our throats, at least provide the needed generating-capacity and infrastructure for them. The evidence, so far, shows we aren't doing that. And we could have also been building hydrogen-refill stations for fuel cell cars.....but, instead, have been making excuses why we can't do it.
Any btw, I think only something like 200 Mirai's were leased last year, so no one seems to want them..even in California
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It's incredible how misinformation somehow becomes fact to some. The grid in Texas never went down because or excessive load from EVs not even close. They had zero to do with the problem.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/02...er-storm-2021/
Short answer is a failure loop occurred because of cold temperatures.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/02...er-storm-2021/
Short answer is a failure loop occurred because of cold temperatures.
(capital letters aren’t me yelling, I promise. Just emphasizing very important yet overlooked points).
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I'm not totally against EVs....in fact, I have a high opinion of the Bolt EUV. But if we are going to have them pushed down our throats, at least provide the needed generating-capacity and infrastructure for them. The evidence, so far, shows we aren't doing that. And we could have also been building hydrogen-refill stations for fuel cell cars.....but, instead, have been making excuses why we can't do it.
The grid is being improved
https://qz.com/2182975/tesla-is-kill...ack-batteries/
https://electrek.co/2023/05/31/tesla...orage-project/
https://electrek.co/2023/02/13/tesla...roject-canada/
EXACTLY!!! And yet again I am beyond surprised to even hear any talk of grid issues. NO ONE has even mentioned Solar power walls. With these the need to be on a grid is GREATLY REDUCED. In fact you have a huge opportunity to SELL POWER BACK TO THE GRID. The solution is so embarrassingly simple that to even mention grid strains in that context is laughable.
(capital letters aren’t me yelling, I promise. Just emphasizing very important yet overlooked points).
(capital letters aren’t me yelling, I promise. Just emphasizing very important yet overlooked points).
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EXACTLY!!! And yet again I am beyond surprised to even hear any talk of grid issues. NO ONE has even mentioned Solar power walls. With these the need to be on a grid is GREATLY REDUCED. In fact you have a huge opportunity to SELL POWER BACK TO THE GRID. The solution is so embarrassingly simple that to even mention grid strains in that context is laughable.
(capital letters aren’t me yelling, I promise. Just emphasizing very important yet overlooked points).
(capital letters aren’t me yelling, I promise. Just emphasizing very important yet overlooked points).
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EXACTLY!!! And yet again I am beyond surprised to even hear any talk of grid issues. NO ONE has even mentioned Solar power walls. With these the need to be on a grid is GREATLY REDUCED. In fact you have a huge opportunity to SELL POWER BACK TO THE GRID. The solution is so embarrassingly simple that to even mention grid strains in that context is laughable.
(capital letters aren’t me yelling, I promise. Just emphasizing very important yet overlooked points).
(capital letters aren’t me yelling, I promise. Just emphasizing very important yet overlooked points).
We are not in the 1800's, there should be ample power at the plug for whatever we need, however much we want.
We worked for it, we paid for it, they need to make it happen and no excuses.
Give us power at the plug and don't -anyone- tell me it can't be done. lol
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Seriously, you’re kidding right?
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You can do this because you don't charge your cars from zero to 100% every night. For some reason people tend to think about how much energy an EV needs to get a "full tank" then assume that is required every day.