But if you look at its stated goals, it was a huge success. The whole point was to get people buying cars, and to make the average car on the road safer and more efficient. It worked.

All I’m saying is a program like this would work if the goal was to get people to replace ICE cars with EVs and to put more EVs vs ICE cars on the road.

 

So this was a California only program, he actually got a $9500 rebate, you could only use it for a Plug-in Hybrid or similar plugin

 

Let's make sure we don't veer into politics

 

I’m interested to see how the EV used car market will play out once these cars/batteries are over 10yrs old. There needs to be service industry that can sell and replace these batteries so these EVs can still be used when they are 10 + old.

 

Replacing a battery pack is easy for a trained tech, in 2022 they needed to swap out a defective component in my Polestar that resided in the pack, the guy dropped the whole pack in less than 45 minutes, replaced the part and put the battery pack back in in another 40 minutes or so. It's a matter of how much the pack costs. In the case of Polestar, the pack is serviceable, you can swap out individual modules.

Already there are third party shops that work on Tesla's. A friend of mine bought a 2015 Model S and had the battery pack changed serviced for $7500 from a shop in SoCal. They arranged everything including towing. I'm sure more of these repair shops for non Tesla brands will pop up as well

 

I removed some content that strayed into the political arena. Wasn't debate-worthy but can always turn that way, so let's stay well clear.

 

This already exists and has for a long time.

And again, battery failure after 10 years is not at all a foregone conclusion.

 

Replacing a battery pack is about 10x easier and faster than replacing an engine or transmission. And FAR cleaner.

 

Ofcourse it exists, Tesla batteries go bad many times. Its not affordable yet, meaning if a low income person or HS kid wants a $10k car - will a 10 year old EV be an option if battery replacement is over $5k, probably not.

How long do you think the batteries last and still can hold charge and be recharged at a decent timeframe? I don’t think there is much data yet on this.

There are a ton of clapped out Civics, Camrys, Accords, old Tacoma trucks etc still running around all over the US that are 30 + years old. Millions of people can’t afford an expensive car. It would also be total waste of resources if an EV didn’t have a lifespan of at least 25-30yrs.

 

Actually it existed because of Priuses and replacement battery packs for them and other hybrids. Tesla battery failure is not common.

Hundreds of thousands of miles. Again, we have been using battery backs in vehicles for 25+ years.

EVs if anything have an even longer lifespan than ICE vehicles and as they age there will be lots of options to replace battery packs if those vehicles need them after 200-300k miles.

 

I think batteries are a concern, even for hybrids. People had that as their number one concern about buying such vehicles (and I do too, with my Prius now in its 15th year and 172k miles!).

In hybrids, the costs to replace batteries is fairly low nowadays, maybe $800 to $1000 or so, but the much larger batteries of BEV have been reported to cost higher than $20,000, so it's def something to consider.

Right now, given that BEV are somewhat new and most cars have new batteries, data on when batteries fail is probably still rare and still somewhat anecdotal, but a quick search of youtube shows that it does happen. In one case, a guy with 100k on his had to replace 2 times already.


This one had to replace it after only 64k miles, which is pretty bad imo.


Anyways, to ICE people, battery life and cost of replacement is probably a big concern when they consider buying any electric vehicle (whether HEV, PHEV, or BEV). It's just one of those things that people will need to take a leap and finally learn that it's not THAT bad.

 

Battery cost is low nowadays but it wasn’t originally. When we had our Prius a battery replacement was an $8,000 job.

 

Without watching those videos, why weren't those batteries replaced under warranty? We're they damaged?

 

Tesla battery replacements are extremely rare. And in the extremely rare cases one goes bad, you have an 8 year/120k warranty. These are not your typical laptop batteries. If people are concerned about them, then I suggest not buying a BEV...or a phev for that matter

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i'd guess, all it will take to get to a tipping point is 5 minute 100 mi. charging.
i recently charged 27%-80% in 13 minutes, so let's say roughly 50% recharge, and my range is about 25mi. per 10% so that's adding 5x25 of range or 125 miles in 13 minutes. not 5 minutes, but not bad! but if it was 5 minutes, and there were plenty of chargers out there, i think the 'anxiety' and resistance to ev's would fade away.