Originally Posted by patgilm

The passenger restraint system error when I looked it up said there is some wiring under the seat that gets messed up and the service guy said the same thing. Some on the forums got a brand new passenger seat before but I doubt I will get that lucky.

Originally Posted by AMIRZA786

My son's friend who used to be a Tesla service tech told me that Tesla just changes out the seats instead of repairing them, so you may get a new one, unless the issue is just minor wiring

Originally Posted by patgilm

Well I'm at the Tesla service center once again for two new issues. One is that I have an error message that popped up stating "front passenger safety restraint system fault" a couple weeks ago and then over the weekend the door handle was stuck, wouldn't open the door and made this horrible screeching sound when I drove like I was receiving a fax through my door. This car is the most problematic and frustrating car I have ever owned even though I love driving it.

So I get to the service center for my appointment this morning and I am told it may be 4-5 hours and whether I can drop off the car. WTF, I tell them I can't because no one told me that I needed to drop the car off and of course when I asked about a loaner, they told me they didn't have one but hopefully they will be able to get me out sooner. Why the heck didn't they tell me through the stupid app how long it would be or that I needed to drop my car off, or better yet, provide me with a loaner! I have never dealt with such an incompetent car company in all my years of car ownership. They did tell me they are going to have to take the door panel off again and I bet they are going to break it and I will need a third new door panel after this mess.

I only have 10,000 miles left on my warranty and I can't imagine how much this car is going to cost me in repairs after the warranty is up. Defnitely need to buy an extended warranty if they offer one.

All in all, I have spent far more time at the service center with each time being 4-5 hours than any other car. It's great that there is little to no maintenance but at least I only had to go to the dealer for my other cars once a year for an oil change. This is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by jrmckinley

Sorry to hear that - your ownership experience is vastly different than mine. I've put about 16k on our MYP and not been to the service center once. I've only had Tesla to my house one time to fix a loose plastic panel on the driver and passenger seat and they replaced my spoiler at the same time. I do occasionally get the message about the seat belt so I took a pic of that last time it popped up. I wasn't sure if I'd need to go to the service center or if that could be done at home, I haven't submitted it through the app yet. Sorry this has been painful for you.

Originally Posted by LeX2K

Seeing we have completely abandoned the thread subject, I'll weigh in. Don't know the failure rate of MacBook but they are extremely difficult to repair. I was able to repair one but it died again probably another SMD capacitor blew up. Apple likes to silkscreen the board black and use dark coloured components because F you.

Originally Posted by AMIRZA786

That's how they roll, making them unrepairable for most average people. But as an Apple investor, the more people who jump into their "ecosystem", the happier I get. I own a good chunk of shares, most were bought around the $90 level...so the more people who end up in their ecosystem, the thicker that part of my portfolio gets

Originally Posted by LeX2K

Tesla's are simple to work on the suspension especially is very easy. Axles, hubs and other driveline parts are also easy to replace. Brakes you almost never have to touch. If you're getting into electronics then it is no different than any modern car it requires expensive, specialized tools. Try fixing a 2023 BMW in your back yard it's almost impossible including mechanical.

Originally Posted by SW17LS

Macs are simple to work on if you know what you are doing.

Originally Posted by SW17LS

Macs are simple to work on if you know what you are doing.

Originally Posted by SW17LS

This is the perfect segway back to EVs, what you decry Apple doing is exactly what Tesla does so that nobody can service their cars other than them. If your Tesla breaks, nobody can fix it but Tesla and their service is pretty terrible. At least Apple's service is good.

The Apple cult frustrates you both and you're cynical towards it, but the Tesla cult doesn't get the same reaction. Why is that?

I have a friend with a Tesla Model S that she loves, but she says she will never get another one entirely because dealing with Tesla service centers is so terrible. She's going to go back to BMW in an EV.

Originally Posted by AMIRZA786

That's just simply wrong. There are a ton of third party shops in California that specialize in repairing Tesla's at quarter of the cost. Just do a little bit of googling. Everything from batteries to motors. Everything in a Tesla is repairable, which is why we have so many 2013 and on Model S with no warranty still alive and well

Originally Posted by SW17LS

And there are lots of places you can take a Mac to be repaired other than Apple too.

Originally Posted by AMIRZA786

I totally agree with that. I even mentioned I have a friend who repairs them. They are just harder to upgrade and repair as compared to a regular laptop