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Only junkers qualified for the program he's talking about. Old 90's cars that didn't even pass smog. My nephew got an $8500 rebate for my 1995 Corolla that had 200k on it, that was falling apart. Not only a safety hazard, but pollution hazard. Why not get those off the road and help someone get in a better car?
Many of us are comfortable but we have a large population of people who are at the poverty level.
It would be like me saying, let demolish your house and give you a discount on a new house you can't afford the payments on. Lol
ANd if you can afford the payments, what about the poor man who needed a cheap house or car. Lol
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Sorry my brother, you can't compare a house to a car... unless it's Lambo or RR
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Add Genesis to the list. I'm starting to lose count.
The problem with that is, we don't want hybrids either LOL.
Same thing will happen, but not as bad.
Add Genesis to the list. I'm starting to lose count.
The problem with that is, we don't want hybrids either LOL.
Same thing will happen, but not as bad.
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I think in 40 years we will see 30% of the cars on the road in the US being EV for sure, likely higher than that. Personally I think the biggest thing that the government could do to get older cars off the road for EVs is to have another program like Cash 4 Clunkers where they will guarantee a rebate on a new EV or PHEV with the sale of an old ICE car with an agreement that it be demolished.
So you literally want the US government to try to take ICE cars away from owners to shove them into EVs? That would backfire even worse. Whew.
There is a ridiculously large amount of US citizens who are simply not interested in EVs and have no plans to buy one. That's a fact, I'm sorry guys.
Go to the crappy part of your town where the average income isnt close to 6 figures and count EVs.
They're NOT going anywhere and they have a place... in wealthy peoples' garages, which is fine and ideal bc they can home charge.
But no, I do not think we will ever reach 30% nationwide EVs. Even 20% is pushing it.
We'll see in a couple decades. I'll eat crow all day long if I'm wrong.
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I'm against that. As long as the vehicle is in good operating condition and meets emissions standards for the year it was produced you should be able to own the car for as long as you want.
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Only junkers qualified for the program he's talking about. Old 90's cars that didn't even pass smog. My nephew got an $8500 rebate for my 1995 Corolla that had 200k on it, that was falling apart. Not only a safety hazard, but pollution hazard. Why not get those off the road and help someone get in a better car?
Aston Martin Volante
4 Audi Quattro Coupes and 5 GT Coupes
3 BMW 740iL protection packages
one each E30 M3 and E34
13 635CSi (the first production M car!)
Thousands of OBS K-Blazers and Tahoes
Several hundred El Caminos
Roughly 100 Corvettes
Several thousand Mustangs
over 100 Taurus SHOs
Tens of thousands of Cherokees
Several hundred Range Rovers
Several thousand Lexus, including every model
Maserati Quattroporte and a classic Biturbo with 18k miles and a manual transmission
Roughly 300 RX-7s and one 2005 RX-8
~150 Mercedes 190Es
a few dozen S500 and S600 coupes
five SL500s
C36 AMG
Roughly 100 Stealths and 3000GTs
Eight 300ZX
PAS/GMC Typhoon
20th Anniversary Turbo Trans Am
5 Porsche 928 S
3 Roush Stage 3 F150s--MY2006!
Roughly 100 Subaru SVX
Several thousand 4Runners, including one MY2007!
About 500 Tacos
6 Supras, including at least one Mark IV twin turbo
17 Land Cruisers
20 Highlanders after MY2000
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Good question my friend.
Many of us are comfortable but we have a large population of people who are at the poverty level.
It would be like me saying, let demolish your house and give you a discount on a new house you can't afford the payments on. Lol
ANd if you can afford the payments, what about the poor man who needed a cheap house or car. Lol
Many of us are comfortable but we have a large population of people who are at the poverty level.
It would be like me saying, let demolish your house and give you a discount on a new house you can't afford the payments on. Lol
ANd if you can afford the payments, what about the poor man who needed a cheap house or car. Lol
But no, I do not think we will ever reach 30% nationwide EVs. Even 20% is pushing it.
We'll see in a couple decades. I'll eat crow all day long if I'm wrong.
And like it or not if you guarantee a $7,000 trade in for any car if the owner buys an EV, people are going to trade cars in and buy EVs.
Listing all the cars that were destroyed may be sad for us, but each of those owners CHOSE to do that with their car because of the program. If your goal was to reduce the number of old, unsafe, inefficient cars out there then the Cash 4 Clunkers program was hugely successful.
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That's not true at all. The sole requirement was that it got 18mpg or less. Had nothing to do with age or emissions. Sure there were lots of crap cars, but there was a bunch of enthusiast cars that will be missed. Just a quick perusal of the list finds some real gems, many of which tend to cost a fortune today:
Aston Martin Volante
4 Audi Quattro Coupes and 5 GT Coupes
3 BMW 740iL protection packages
one each E30 M3 and E34
13 635CSi (the first production M car!)
Thousands of OBS K-Blazers and Tahoes
Several hundred El Caminos
Roughly 100 Corvettes
Several thousand Mustangs
over 100 Taurus SHOs
Tens of thousands of Cherokees
Several hundred Range Rovers
Several thousand Lexus, including every model
Maserati Quattroporte and a classic Biturbo with 18k miles and a manual transmission
Roughly 300 RX-7s and one 2005 RX-8
~150 Mercedes 190Es
a few dozen S500 and S600 coupes
five SL500s
C36 AMG
Roughly 100 Stealths and 3000GTs
Eight 300ZX
PAS/GMC Typhoon
20th Anniversary Turbo Trans Am
5 Porsche 928 S
3 Roush Stage 3 F150s--MY2006!
Roughly 100 Subaru SVX
Several thousand 4Runners, including one MY2007!
About 500 Tacos
6 Supras, including at least one Mark IV twin turbo
17 Land Cruisers
20 Highlanders after MY2000
Aston Martin Volante
4 Audi Quattro Coupes and 5 GT Coupes
3 BMW 740iL protection packages
one each E30 M3 and E34
13 635CSi (the first production M car!)
Thousands of OBS K-Blazers and Tahoes
Several hundred El Caminos
Roughly 100 Corvettes
Several thousand Mustangs
over 100 Taurus SHOs
Tens of thousands of Cherokees
Several hundred Range Rovers
Several thousand Lexus, including every model
Maserati Quattroporte and a classic Biturbo with 18k miles and a manual transmission
Roughly 300 RX-7s and one 2005 RX-8
~150 Mercedes 190Es
a few dozen S500 and S600 coupes
five SL500s
C36 AMG
Roughly 100 Stealths and 3000GTs
Eight 300ZX
PAS/GMC Typhoon
20th Anniversary Turbo Trans Am
5 Porsche 928 S
3 Roush Stage 3 F150s--MY2006!
Roughly 100 Subaru SVX
Several thousand 4Runners, including one MY2007!
About 500 Tacos
6 Supras, including at least one Mark IV twin turbo
17 Land Cruisers
20 Highlanders after MY2000
. I sort of doubt people would have traded most of those for a Plug-in hybrid rebate. As I remember, my nephews rebate could only be used for a plug-in hybrid, he used it as a down payment for a plug-in Prius, which he still has today. Although he's never plugged it in even once since he's had it
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I guess I'm not as smart as I thought I was . I sort of doubt people would have traded most of those for a Plug-in hybrid rebate. As I remember, my nephews rebate could only be used for a plug-in hybrid, he used it as a down payment for a plug-in Prius, which he still has today. Although he's never plugged it in even once since he's had it
. I sort of doubt people would have traded most of those for a Plug-in hybrid rebate. As I remember, my nephews rebate could only be used for a plug-in hybrid, he used it as a down payment for a plug-in Prius, which he still has today. Although he's never plugged it in even once since he's had it
Lexus Champion
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This was back around 2016-2017. I'll have to ask my nephew, but if I remember correctly, he got $8500 towards a Plug-in hybrid, this may have been a California thing. As far as your second question, there really was no decent BEV at that time, and I can't imagine someone with one of those vehicles going to something like a Leaf or Plugin Prius, although maybe some did
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This was back around 2016-2017. I'll have to ask my nephew, but if I remember correctly, he got $8500 towards a Plug-in hybrid, this may have been a California thing. As far as your second question, there really was no decent BEV at that time, and I can't imagine someone with one of those vehicles going to something like a Leaf or Plugin Prius, although maybe some did
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This was back around 2016-2017. I'll have to ask my nephew, but if I remember correctly, he got $8500 towards a Plug-in hybrid, this may have been a California thing. As far as your second question, there really was no decent BEV at that time, and I can't imagine someone with one of those vehicles going to something like a Leaf or Plugin Prius, although maybe some did
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If you look at what it set out to do though, boost the economy, replace old, inefficient cars with new safer and more efficient cars it was a huge success.
Lexus Champion
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This was definitely a different program, it may have been a California only program. He could only use the rebate towards a plug-in hybrid. He didn't even get my Corolla until 2016
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