General EV Conversation
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Will the bubble pop? 
I live in a total opposite bubble. MY was the most owned vehicle at one point but only for a short life. Out of last 10 new purchases… there is only one EV. I’d be interested to know what were replaced by those EVs in his bubble.
I live in a total opposite bubble. MY was the most owned vehicle at one point but only for a short life. Out of last 10 new purchases… there is only one EV. I’d be interested to know what were replaced by those EVs in his bubble.
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EV'S are here to stay in California. The question is, will Tesla continue to dominate. Model Y has been losing market share, not to ICE, but other EV'S. In Europe the most popular car is the BMW i4
not sure anyone said they're going away, but even at 25% of new car registrations, that's still 75% that AREN'T ev's, so non-ev's are definitely not going away unless absurd incentives/penalties come into play (wouldn't put it past california ).
that's astonishing... is that really true? source? do you mean most popular ev? if it's true that's pretty sad.
jeff and a couple of others live in silicon valley area where to fit in you need to look like part of the 'future' which is ev. other places (even in california)? not so much. we all continue to see more and more ev's on the road, but still they've got a loooooong way to go overall.
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In Europe the most popular car is the BMW i4
jeff and a couple of others live in silicon valley area where to fit in you need to look like part of the 'future' which is ev. other places (even in california)? not so much. we all continue to see more and more ev's on the road, but still they've got a loooooong way to go overall.
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not sure anyone said they're going away, but even at 25% of new car registrations, that's still 75% that AREN'T ev's, so non-ev's are definitely not going away unless absurd incentives/penalties come into play (wouldn't put it past california ).
that's astonishing... is that really true? source? do you mean most popular ev? if it's true that's pretty sad.
jeff and a couple of others live in silicon valley area where to fit in you need to look like part of the 'future' which is ev. other places (even in california)? not so much. we all continue to see more and more ev's on the road, but still they've got a loooooong way to go overall.
).that's astonishing... is that really true? source? do you mean most popular ev? if it's true that's pretty sad.
jeff and a couple of others live in silicon valley area where to fit in you need to look like part of the 'future' which is ev. other places (even in california)? not so much. we all continue to see more and more ev's on the road, but still they've got a loooooong way to go overall.
https://insideevs.com/news/731043/bm...s-europe-july/
Yes, even at 25 percent of new sales, EV'S have a long way to catch up
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If Norway can get to 90% + new vehicle sales being EV then there is no excuse for the rest of us. China will likely be at 45% by the end of 2024. United States should be very concerned, lagging behind means giving Chinese auto makers even more time to refine their technology and drive costs down. Tariffs won't save you in the long term.
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Let me rephrase. BMW EV'S out sold the Model Y in Europe this quarter
https://insideevs.com/news/731043/bm...s-europe-july/
Yes, even at 25 percent of new sales, EV'S have a long way to catch up
https://insideevs.com/news/731043/bm...s-europe-july/
Yes, even at 25 percent of new sales, EV'S have a long way to catch up
I'm pretty sure Tesla won the quarter.
Last edited by JeffKeryk; Aug 28, 2024 at 07:31 PM.
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If Norway can get to 90% + new vehicle sales being EV then there is no excuse for the rest of us. China will likely be at 45% by the end of 2024. United States should be very concerned, lagging behind means giving Chinese auto makers even more time to refine their technology and drive costs down. Tariffs won't save you in the long term.
On a serious note, America is like my mom (rest her soul), she wouldn't give up her i386 for a new, faster, better computer because a 16 bit word program she used that was so archaic couldn't be installed on the computer. She also had to stay on slow dial up Internet because it didn't have the ports for faster cable Internet. Plus it ran such an old version of IE that it couldn't get on many websites.
She finally reluctantly got a new computer when the old one completely crashed....
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I shake my gas nozzle every time I pump. I wonder what the guy behind me thinking. But I shake not because I want to get every drop out but because I don't want any drop to get on my paint. Lol
So you're saying it. But you're right. EVs still have a long way to catch up because they lack features that have been available on ICE. They probably will never in our lifetime. It didn't surprise me that BMW EVs outsold MY in Europe because of the price differences. If Tesla didn't drop their prices in US, they wouldn't have been where they are at. For the current prices and incentives, MY and M3 are a bargain. So it's expected they outsell the rest in the US.
Let me rephrase. BMW EV'S out sold the Model Y in Europe this quarter
https://insideevs.com/news/731043/bm...s-europe-july/
Yes, even at 25 percent of new sales, EV'S have a long way to catch up
https://insideevs.com/news/731043/bm...s-europe-july/
Yes, even at 25 percent of new sales, EV'S have a long way to catch up
But you're right. EVs still have a long way to catch up because they lack features that have been available on ICE. They probably will never in our lifetime. It didn't surprise me that BMW EVs outsold MY in Europe because of the price differences. If Tesla didn't drop their prices in US, they wouldn't have been where they are at. For the current prices and incentives, MY and M3 are a bargain. So it's expected they outsell the rest in the US.
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I shake my gas nozzle every time I pump. I wonder what the guy behind me thinking. But I shake not because I want to get every drop out but because I don't want any drop to get on my paint. Lol
So you're saying it. But you're right. EVs still have a long way to catch up because they lack features that have been available on ICE. They probably will never in our lifetime. It didn't surprise me that BMW EVs outsold MY in Europe because of the price differences. If Tesla didn't drop their prices in US, they wouldn't have been where they are at. For the current prices and incentives, MY and M3 are a bargain. So it's expected they outsell the rest in the US.
So you're saying it.
But you're right. EVs still have a long way to catch up because they lack features that have been available on ICE. They probably will never in our lifetime. It didn't surprise me that BMW EVs outsold MY in Europe because of the price differences. If Tesla didn't drop their prices in US, they wouldn't have been where they are at. For the current prices and incentives, MY and M3 are a bargain. So it's expected they outsell the rest in the US.
There are still more buyers that want things like buttons and *****, fobs and start buttons. And there are buyers that want luxury, and of course, there are buyers that still want an Internal Combustion Engine with all the gears and sounds etc. Tesla satisfies one particular niche, the all around family/commuter/trip car that's fairly inexpensive, reliable and yes, fun. I think I can safely say that if you live in an area with lots of charging and have the ability to charge at home and are in the market for a Camry, Accord, Civic, Rav4 etc and you don't buy a Tesla, I feel bad for you.Price cuts are a huge reason people started buying Tesla's, there's no denying that. And as far as BMW giving Tesla competition, I think that's a good thing for the market and buyers