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Its like when we first got the LS400, it had dramatically less gizmos than my dad's Cadillac STS he had before. No "oil life" monitor, a rudimentary trip computer with range but that was new for 98, no system checks with beeping and all...but the car was dramatically higher quality.
Like, take that money for a air filter sensor, and improve an interior material...
Like, take that money for a air filter sensor, and improve an interior material...
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That's GM in general, at least on decently equipped vehicles. Always liked how they are so comprehensive with stuff like that. That's a strength Japan doesn't get with their vehicles, unless the new ones are radically changed. It's pretty cool to have a running hours display, like a boat.
Nobody is gonna NOT buy a Toyota Camry because it lacks an air filter sensor or an oil life monitor. Newer Toyota's do have scheduled maintenance lights
Its a tradeoff, do you want gimmicky features, or do you want quality. Now we get both...
Its like when we first got the LS400, it had dramatically less gizmos than my dad's Cadillac STS he had before. No "oil life" monitor, a rudimentary trip computer with range but that was new for 98, no system checks with beeping and all...but the car was dramatically higher quality.
Like, take that money for a air filter sensor, and improve an interior material...
Its like when we first got the LS400, it had dramatically less gizmos than my dad's Cadillac STS he had before. No "oil life" monitor, a rudimentary trip computer with range but that was new for 98, no system checks with beeping and all...but the car was dramatically higher quality.
Like, take that money for a air filter sensor, and improve an interior material...
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The XLR didn't exist in the 1990s, it came out in 2003, but the SLS/STS interiors in the 90s were nowhere near as nice as what was being made by the Japanese or the Germans.
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I agree they weren't the best on the market, but my point was that they were the best that GM was producing at the time. At the time, Jaguar was probably (at least IMO) doing the best interiors overall....along with the Lexus SC430 and LS430, although the LS430 did not debut until 2001.
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I agree they weren't the best on the market, but my point was that they were the best that GM was producing at the time. At the time, Jaguar was probably (at least IMO) doing the best interiors overall....along with the Lexus SC430 and LS430, although the LS430 did not debut until 2001.
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I agree they weren't the best on the market, but my point was that they were the best that GM was producing at the time. At the time, Jaguar was probably (at least IMO) doing the best interiors overall....along with the Lexus SC430 and LS430, although the LS430 did not debut until 2001.
Saying the STS had the best interior GM was producing at the time isn't saying much, it was just not competitive at all.
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Those wood interiors from Jag were pretty neat looking. Can't speak to the quality because I don't think I ever sat inside one. If one wants a ton of wood, though, the LS430 has a lot of it, it's real, and the overall car is much better than anything Jag ever built.
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HA! Hell no lol! Jag interiors are a joke vs same gen Mercedes/Lexus/Audi, they are always basically one gen behind and that's coming from someone who really likes Jag. Interior quality and materals are never their strong point relative to their rivals, you can't tell me with a straight face that a X-type is on the same level as the CHEAPER ES300/ES350/A4 or the S-type the E-class, GS, or A6 and if you bring the flagships into this the XJ is just barely at the level of the E class etc....nowhere near an S/A8/LS of the same year. The X308 ran all the way to 2004 so it is in BIG trouble considering the X350 is STILL worse than the LS430/S430/D3 etc etc. The X308 has NO chance vs even a ES300 for quality
Jaguar interiors, until they started doing the more-stark Teutonic, were, at one time, the very definition of elegance and class. The Connally leather seating was also a Jag trademark for years., as was the genuine Burnished-Walnut trim.No, the X-Class Jag interior was not as elegant as that of more-expensive Jags, but one has to expect that for the price.....and for the fact that it was a redone Ford Mondeo with some Jag touches in the interior and exterior styling. I did both an MM Full-Review and later Retro-Write-up on the X-class.
I do agree, however, that Audi interiors, for years, were also very impressive....and were well-screwed together.
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I'll agree, though, that for the sake of animal-lives, given the choice, I'd rather have a well-done leather substitute like NuLuxe.
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Well, friend, we are going to just disagree on that one. Jaguar interiors, until they started doing the more-stark Teutonic, were, at one time, the very definition of elegance and class. The Connally leather seating was also a Jag trademark for years., as was the genuine Burnished-Walnut trim.
No, the X-Class Jag interior was not as elegant as that of more-expensive Jags, but one has to expect that for the price.....and for the fact that it was a redone Ford Mondeo with some Jag touches in the interior and exterior styling. I did both an MM Full-Review and later Retro-Write-up on the X-class.
I do agree, however, that Audi interiors, for years, were also very impressive....and were well-screwed together.
Jaguar interiors, until they started doing the more-stark Teutonic, were, at one time, the very definition of elegance and class. The Connally leather seating was also a Jag trademark for years., as was the genuine Burnished-Walnut trim.No, the X-Class Jag interior was not as elegant as that of more-expensive Jags, but one has to expect that for the price.....and for the fact that it was a redone Ford Mondeo with some Jag touches in the interior and exterior styling. I did both an MM Full-Review and later Retro-Write-up on the X-class.
I do agree, however, that Audi interiors, for years, were also very impressive....and were well-screwed together.
I also remarked in my thread about my X400 that the leather and wood were great but the rest was very "meh" vs it's rivals but that's the thing, a car is more than just the wood/leather. It is absolutely both not a "just a reskinned ford" and also not of the same quality of it's rivals.
I can't find my thread on here but here is the matching one from the Jag forums https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...x-type-262558/
EDIT: Nvm I forgot I could just go find my old threads lol! https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...jaaaaaaag.html
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Build quality is a huge differentiator, thats why those old LS400s and LS430s are still tight and rattle free after 200k+ miles, my dad's STS had interior trim falling off before 50,000 miles.
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