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Old Mar 5, 2023 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Lwerewolf
'08 gs450h.

Some other models have... uhh... practically rebuildable height sensors - land cruisers, mostly. This one is welded/glued/whatever plastic. Anyways, haven't pulled it apart yet, waiting for the issue to manifest again so that I can see live which sensor is acting up in the first place. Still, with the welded ones, most of the time it appears to be a connector water sealing failure.
Hmm. Good thought on rebuildable sensors. My 4R height sensors finally started to fail. There were corroded. Parts were so hard to find. OEM was too much so I junked the who air rear and went with aftermarket springs. Land Cruiser wasn’t this way, they used a hydraulic system so maybe.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Yeah they did.

I stopped by the dealer today just while I was running around, $9K markup. I wouldn't pay the markup, for $62K I would get an Infiniti QX60 or something.

If they are going to ramrod customers in the pooper, at least they can put the sticker on rightside up...clowns.
A friend of mine just bought a Telluride a couple weeks ago. He contacted a bunch of dealers around me and all wanted at least a couple grand markup and I told him not to do it since he didn’t need a car, only wanted one. He finally found a dealer that wasn’t marking it up at Jones Kia in Bel Air. I’m sure if you called around there will be others that are selling at MSRP.
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Originally Posted by patgilm
A friend of mine just bought a Telluride a couple weeks ago. He contacted a bunch of dealers around me and all wanted at least a couple grand markup and I told him not to do it since he didn’t need a car, only wanted one. He finally found a dealer that wasn’t marking it up at Jones Kia in Bel Air. I’m sure if you called around there will be others that are selling at MSRP.
I will call them! There’s a dealer in Morgantown WV that’s selling at MSRP too, that’s the one I was trying to think of
Old Mar 6, 2023 | 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Could be that you turn left more?
3 lefts make a right.....
Old Mar 6, 2023 | 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
The beauty of the dash is that this whole piece is one..










am I right?
It's negated by the lack of a zig-zag shifter, though, right?
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Originally Posted by tex2670
It's negated by the lack of a zig-zag shifter, though, right?
Zig zag didn’t exist for Lexus at that time. The second gen had it. Some say the second generation LS interior was better than the first, maybe the zig zag shifter had a part in that. (If you believe that)
Old Mar 6, 2023 | 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Hmm. Good thought on rebuildable sensors. My 4R height sensors finally started to fail. There were corroded. Parts were so hard to find. OEM was too much so I junked the who air rear and went with aftermarket springs. Land Cruiser wasn’t this way, they used a hydraulic system so maybe.
Might want to just buy a new sensor assembly. Downright insane price for what is essentially a potentiometer, a few brackets and an end link with no carrying capacity whatsoever (still better than a spare wiper blade that costs more than a whole new wiper ) but it should practically last the lifetime of the vehicle. Of course, if you weren't really using the air sus in the first place...
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Originally Posted by tex2670
It's negated by the lack of a zig-zag shifter, though, right?

Actually, it's helped by the lack of the zigzag. Most Toyota (and Lexus) products of that period used a fore-aft PRNDL lever with a green N for Neutral and an orange R for reverse. A few GM products that were rebadged Toyotas also used that system.
Old Mar 6, 2023 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Possibly. Or regularly carry heavy persons in the right-hand seats. Or simply have more weight in cargo on the right side of the vehicle.
Yeah very unlikely. Neither I nor my passenger would tip the balance.

Originally Posted by SW17LS
Could be that you turn left more?
Originally Posted by tex2670
3 lefts make a right.....
Right. Just keep going on the circle you will get back to your departure instead of going back. Lol. I'm going to rotate to see. Still have some meat to burn too.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Possibly. Or regularly carry heavy persons in the right-hand seats. Or simply have more weight in cargo on the right side of the vehicle.
Like when we were kids riding the bus and thought if we all shift over to the right side of the bus in the middle of the driver making a left turn, we could make the bus tip over. We never tried it though....
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Originally Posted by tex2670
Like when we were kids riding the bus and thought if we all shift over to the right side of the bus in the middle of the driver making a left turn, we could make the bus tip over. We never tried it though....
When you're on small planes, yes, they ask you to seat at certain spots depending on your weight vs. others to keep the plane balanced.
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I bet that original shifter was very, very nice to use, and solid. Regarding interior assembly, LS500 comes apart one handed in 30 seconds, while LS430 getting the dash off is a true project.

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Originally Posted by AJT123
I bet that original shifter was very, very nice to use, and solid. Regarding interior assembly, LS500 comes apart one handed in 30 seconds, while LS430 getting the dash off is a true project.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnMo5oMx_44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSL2xijb8yk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvvRNaMKLOw
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Old Mar 6, 2023 | 11:23 AM
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Just so I understand...high difficulty and therefore extremely high cost to service is now a desirable trait in a luxury car?

I mean....8 hours of labor to remove and reinstall the engine/transmission of a mid-engine exotic car for major service, I sort of get. But a similar amount of effort to remove/reinstall the dashboard to access something like a blower motor is somehow a good thing?
Old Mar 6, 2023 | 11:30 AM
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No, but taking apart a dash one handed of a $100,000+ car with that much ease is a tad disconcerting.

Guarantee a fan motor would cost more in that than an old LS anyway.



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