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Old Jun 4, 2022 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Try $2,500 a month lol

No way you can lease one of those for $1,500 a month, unfortunately. Markups, no lease deals…

S580 right now is $2,000+ a month too.

Hopefully that changes by the time I need to replace mine, or it will be one and done for the S Class for me lol

As for aerodynamics, the W223 is .22 cD, which is amazing. They can get great aerodynamics with better looks.
The current EQS looks is primarily designed for the Chinese markets, I'm sure the look will change here as people speak with their purchasing, or lack of purchasing. But so far I think a lot of people are in the @patgilm camp and don't care about looks as much if the function and performance meets their needs (two of three)
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Not necessarily. I would get another S Class.



Nooooo lol. Mine is $1,499. I wouldn’t pay $2,500 a month. But I got $20k off and there were lease deals, etc
All the leasing deals are gone for now. One of my friends bought a preconfigured 2022 Polestar 2 and opted not to get the 2023 with more range and power because the lease doubled. My lease is currently $520 a month, his is $540, if he leased the 2023 it would have been double! That's just insane
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Old Jun 4, 2022 | 05:07 PM
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I think you have folks who buy it because it’s different looking and the EV platform. BUT, you aren’t likely to win over conservative buyers like me until you can a car that is more typically attractive. It will come.
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
All the leasing deals are gone for now. One of my friends bought a preconfigured 2022 Polestar 2 and opted not to get the 2023 with more range and power because the lease doubled. My lease is currently $520 a month, his is $540, if he leased the 2023 it would have been double! That's just insane
Yeah, crazy! An LS500 is a $2,000 lease right now.
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Old Jun 4, 2022 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I think you have folks who buy it because it’s different looking and the EV platform. BUT, you aren’t likely to win over conservative buyers like me until you can a car that is more typically attractive. It will come.
I believe so. People will speak with their wallets. Plus the design will evolve from the experimental phase that's geared towards early adopters
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Old Jun 4, 2022 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Yeah, crazy! An LS500 is a $2,000 lease right now.
LS is extremely limited in supply.
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Old Jun 4, 2022 | 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Yeah, crazy! An LS500 is a $2,000 lease right now.
Ha! Hell no!

I'll go buy one for 50k if that's what they want to lease for lol! Zero point in that, you still get the same V6 and 10 speed. No incentive at all other than carplay I guess?
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
you aren’t likely to win over conservative buyers like me until you can a car that is more typically attractive. It will come.
not really sure what 'typically attractive' means, but styling evolves, it doesn't go backwards. EVs require cars to be very aerodynamic. I believe most current and old ICE car designs will simply go away.

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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
not really sure what 'typically attractive' means, but styling evolves, it doesn't go backwards. EVs require cars to be very aerodynamic. I believe most current and old ICE car designs will simply go away.
So are you saying that a very aerodynamic car has to be styled like the EQS - the blob look? Or is that the "modern" look?

Why aren't other EV's which have very good aerodynamics (Model S, Taycan, E-tron GT) , look beautiful (not blob like) ?

Very good aerodynamics are a benefit for any type of car, not just an EV.
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Old Jun 5, 2022 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
I believe most current and old ICE car designs will simply go away.
Let’s hope not The entire auto industry will collapse. The majority of consumer will reject these EQS style designs
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Ha! Hell no!

I'll go buy one for 50k if that's what they want to lease for lol! Zero point in that, you still get the same V6 and 10 speed. No incentive at all other than carplay I guess?
You get a new car vs a used car. You will always pay way more for the same car new.

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not really sure what 'typically attractive' means, but styling evolves, it doesn't go backwards. EVs require cars to be very aerodynamic. I believe most current and old ICE car designs will simply go away.
The W223 is a .22 cD Tesla Model S is .21 The EQS does not have to look like it does to have great Aerodynamics and a great range. The styling of the EQS was a choice by Mercedes. They will develop EVs with more traditional Mercedes sedan design cues. Even with the blob styling EQS range is not a leader at all.

Have you seen the Hyundai Ioniq 5? There are a TON around here, its not styled like a blob at all...its cD is .288 which is WAY higher than these other even no EV sedans.

Blob styling is not required.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
You get a new car vs a used car. You will always pay way more for the same car new.



The W223 is a .22 cD Tesla Model S is .21 The EQS does not have to look like it does to have great Aerodynamics and a great range. The styling of the EQS was a choice by Mercedes. They will develop EVs with more traditional Mercedes sedan design cues. Even with the blob styling EQS range is not a leader at all.

Have you seen the Hyundai Ioniq 5? There are a TON around here, its not styled like a blob at all...its cD is .288 which is WAY higher than these other even no EV sedans.

Blob styling is not required.
The latest Model S's cd is actually 0.208 😄

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The latest Model S's cd is actually 0.208 😄

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I rounded up lol
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Originally Posted by Hameed
So are you saying that a very aerodynamic car has to be styled like the EQS - the blob look? Or is that the "modern" look?

Why aren't other EV's which have very good aerodynamics (Model S, Taycan, E-tron GT) , look beautiful (not blob like) ?

Very good aerodynamics are a benefit for any type of car, not just an EV.
The EQS is styled for the Chinese market. I'm sure that look will change because a lot of people in North America have been complaining about it's blob shape
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Old Jun 5, 2022 | 12:03 PM
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It's actually pretty easy to give a car a decent drag coefficient, just lower it, give it flat door handles, smaller side mirrors, and a sloped back- that's all it takes. Turning the car into a jellybean is a conscious design choice.

Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
The EQS is styled for the Chinese market. I'm sure that look will change because a lot of people in North America have been complaining about it's blob shape
EQS is selling in the U.S. decently for what it is, its Q1 sales were half of the ICE S-Class, and I'm assuming that's supply constrained. But in China I bet its sales are at least double what it is here.
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