General Car Conversation 2025 - Part 2

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Nov 12, 2025 | 03:21 PM
  #3481  
My son plays roblox and he calls them the Roblox car lol
Nov 12, 2025 | 06:11 PM
  #3482  
Quote: Depends on what you value. The Santa Fe lacks very important things to me, so for me the X5 is a better value. Something isn't a better value if its less for less, thats just less. If all you want is a comfortable vehicle with space to drive around in and you don't care about powertrain, suspension, ride, technology dynamics or performance then yeah the Santa Fe is a better value.

Perhaps so, but with all due respect, not everyone has as many $$$$$ to spend on a new vehicle that you do. One must look at the reality of their bank accounts....or whether they need to use that money for something else.
Nov 12, 2025 | 06:18 PM
  #3483  
Quote: Perhaps so, but with all due respect, not everyone has as many $$$$$ to spend on a new vehicle that you do. One must look at the reality of their bank accounts....or whether they need to use that money for something else.
I mean yeah, that's always a reality but value doesn't mean cheap. I personally take it to mean I got a hell of a lot of whatever it is relative to what I paid, even if I paid a large amount.
Nov 12, 2025 | 07:04 PM
  #3484  
Quote: Perhaps so, but with all due respect, not everyone has as many $$$$$ to spend on a new vehicle that you do. One must look at the reality of their bank accounts....or whether they need to use that money for something else.
Someone who would consider an X5 does have that money to spend. The point is they are two totally different vehicles that are geared towards different consumers so the value proposition for each is totally different.

Something is not automatically a better value just because its cheaper.
Nov 12, 2025 | 07:12 PM
  #3485  
Quote: Someone who would consider an X5 does have that money to spend. The point is they are two totally different vehicles that are geared towards different consumers so the value proposition for each is totally different.

Something is not automatically a better value just because its cheaper.
On the contrary cheap and low end items and products be that goods or services/programs are usually the WORST value.
Nov 12, 2025 | 07:28 PM
  #3486  
Quote: On the contrary cheap and low end items and products be that goods or services/programs are usually the WORST value.
Absolutely.
People shop value and not price, Imo.

The reality is we all put value on different things and have varied amounts of money to spend.

But we want value! 😁

One person might put a high value on luxury and the next person might put a high value on reliability.

That will cost extra. Lol
Nov 12, 2025 | 07:32 PM
  #3487  
Quote: Something is not automatically a better value just because its cheaper.
That's often true, but, come on......we're not talking about a $4000 Yugo here. In the Santa Fe, we are talking about a very nice product.
Nov 12, 2025 | 07:37 PM
  #3488  
Quote: That's often true, but, come on......we're not talking about a $4000 Yugo here. In the Santa Fe, we are talking about a very nice product.
It's not a good value though, it's painfully generic and with very low underlaying engineering value....plus oftentimes very spotty basic reliability and high parts costs relative to peers for long term service considerations.
Nov 12, 2025 | 07:38 PM
  #3489  
Quote: That's often true, but, come on......we're not talking about a $4000 Yugo here. In the Santa Fe, we are talking about a very nice product.
I understand what you are saying and always appreciate your point of view.
Nov 12, 2025 | 07:41 PM
  #3490  
For me, the best way to judge value should be "against its peers."
Nov 12, 2025 | 07:47 PM
  #3491  
Quote: That's often true, but, come on......we're not talking about a $4000 Yugo here. In the Santa Fe, we are talking about a very nice product.
It is a nice product, but it’s nowhere near the caliber of an X5.

It’s also a great value, but it’s a value compared to say a Highlander or a Pathfinder or something like that, like JDR said…its peers.
Nov 13, 2025 | 06:52 AM
  #3492  
Nov 13, 2025 | 06:52 AM
  #3493  
@SW17LS Three timing chains. 3 radiators
Nov 13, 2025 | 07:15 AM
  #3494  
Quote: @SW17LS Three timing chains. 3 radiators
This was already posted. The GR V6 has more chain issues than that engine family fyi
Nov 13, 2025 | 07:55 AM
  #3495  
Mercedes is losing their way…