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Old Sep 12, 2025 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
sadly Lexus will be the only brand to never have had a twin turbo gas V8.
I think there's one in development honestly, but they're being cagey about it. Probably an updated 5.0 UR but with turbos which would save money, and it's tried and true. If so, it would be a monster and satisfy those who say the regular, current 5.0 doesn't have enough torque.

If they're making it for that ultra expensive sports car why wouldn't it trickle down to other high end models? At least that's what they'd do if they were smart. But we all know how dumb Toyota has been, well, for a long time.
Old Sep 12, 2025 | 05:45 PM
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I think there's one in development honestly, but they're being cagey about it.
and the Germans had these engines 20 years ago lol

But we all know how dumb Toyota has been, well, for a long time.
yup Truly dislike TNGA for the most part
Old Sep 12, 2025 | 06:13 PM
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Old Sep 12, 2025 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Striker223
Totally different experiences really, the 600h is extremely smooth but doesn't have any engagement like a 460 can. It's an exceptionally good execution and experience though, it's impossible to find a mint one though haha!

I've been looking for a perfect spec 600 for a few years now, I'm sure I'll get one eventually but they are rare
I had both a 460 and 600hL and the 600 was one of my favorite cars at that time and I loved it way better than my 460. They were all fully loaded with the option being exec package or not which I didn’t want. It had leather dash and the wood shift **** which were unique to the 600. It had the powered flip down tv with remote and headphones and a nice cooled box in the backseat. I loved when way it drove and the instant torque from the hybrid powertrain. It has really great features for its time.
Old Sep 12, 2025 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by patgilm
I had both a 460 and 600hL and the 600 was one of my favorite cars at that time and I loved it way better than my 460. They were all fully loaded with the option being exec package or not which I didn’t want. It had leather dash and the wood shift **** which were unique to the 600. It had the powered flip down tv with remote and headphones and a nice cooled box in the backseat. I loved when way it drove and the instant torque from the hybrid powertrain. It has really great features for its time.
awd model?
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Originally Posted by AJT123
LS460 does 0-60 in 5.6 seconds and you can get at least 26-27MPG with it on the highway. I'm good. LS600 is nice but didn't really do the things they wanted it to do (V12 power with V6 fuel economy, blazing performance etc).

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...460-first-test

And here is an article where they got 6.3 seconds with the 600.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...l-test-review/

I don't want batteries in my car, except one to start it.
You cherry picked the slow 0-60 time. It’s more like 5.5 seconds. Also look at the 1/4 mile time and trap speed, the 600 is faster.
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awd model?
All 600s were awd, my 460 was a swb awd model.
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I still haven't gone into a Bucees yet!!!

Re: that Lambo, uh yeah it's a nice design. LOL. But white supercars I just don't get, my own personal taste. If you want an easy color, go with black. A black Lamborghini has a better ring to it than a white one. And honestly no color beats black IMO.
For a Lambo go big or go home, no way I would get black or white, it would have to be a wild color like bright orange or green. In your face color for an in your face car. Ferrari, give me red.
Old Sep 12, 2025 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
I think there's one in development honestly, but they're being cagey about it. Probably an updated 5.0 UR but with turbos which would save money, and it's tried and true. If so, it would be a monster and satisfy those who say the regular, current 5.0 doesn't have enough torque.

If they're making it for that ultra expensive sports car why wouldn't it trickle down to other high end models? At least that's what they'd do if they were smart. But we all know how dumb Toyota has been, well, for a long time.
It won't for the same reason they never put the V10 into anything else unfortunately
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Originally Posted by patgilm
I had both a 460 and 600hL and the 600 was one of my favorite cars at that time and I loved it way better than my 460. They were all fully loaded with the option being exec package or not which I didn’t want. It had leather dash and the wood shift **** which were unique to the 600. It had the powered flip down tv with remote and headphones and a nice cooled box in the backseat. I loved when way it drove and the instant torque from the hybrid powertrain. It has really great features for its time.
Nice, the issue I'm running into is that the exec pack is a must have in my case. I don't intend to drive it and I want the best possible seat for myself

The hybrid system really fixes the URs lack of torque down low for sure but I wish they could have offered a TT option for the normal 460 with the traditional trans. The 600 is one of the smoothest things I've ever driven

My W12s are as smooth or smoother but they still have transmissions that in the 5/6 speeds in particular can be caught lacking. The ZF8 cars not so much but the D4s are way way way more sporty so even with their ultra smooth powerbands the car itself doesn't compel you to experience it the same way as an LS600

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Originally Posted by patgilm
You cherry picked the slow 0-60 time. It’s more like 5.5 seconds. Also look at the 1/4 mile time and trap speed, the 600 is faster.
Im not sure on that, the two 600s I test drove were slower than my 460 on a draggy
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Originally Posted by Striker223
Nice, the issue in running into is that the exec pack is a must have in my case. I don't intend to drive it and I want the best possible seat for myself

The hybrid system really fixes the URs lack of torque down low for sure but I wish they could have offered a TT option for the normal 460 with the traditional trans
For you yes only the exec package would do but I had young kids the time with two car seats and wanted the extra space in between. The only thing that sucked was the trunk was small. I also liked the unique 19” wheels it had at the time.
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Originally Posted by patgilm
For you yes only the exec package would do but I had young kids the time with two car seats and wanted the extra space in between. The only thing that sucked was the trunk was small. I also liked the unique 19” wheels it had at the time.
Lucky kids haha!

If I ever have any I would assign a current gen grand Cherokee to kid duty until they are old enough and properly trained on how to treat the real cars.

Small trunk is a major pain in all my cars other than the Phaeton, even the non-fridge D4s have not the best space back there. On out of state shooting trips we usually have some overflow into the back seats from that other than ammo. I always keep that directly behind the front seats regardless of trunk load to keep weight as centered and low as possible
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Originally Posted by patgilm
You cherry picked the slow 0-60 time. It’s more like 5.5 seconds. Also look at the 1/4 mile time and trap speed, the 600 is faster.
I didn't cherry pick anything, I know the 600 is slower. Do you have links to your claim?

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It won't for the same reason they never put the V10 into anything else unfortunately
Well, keep in mind how much that engine costs... There's no way that could be a mass production engine. The engine alone probably costs as much as a whole not-cheap brand new Lexus.

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For a Lambo go big or go home, no way I would get black or white, it would have to be a wild color like bright orange or green. In your face color for an in your face car. Ferrari, give me red.
Oh a Ferrari has to be red. Lambo yellow. Or black for both, I personally love black cars.
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Originally Posted by AJT123
I didn't cherry pick anything, I know the 600 is slower. Do you have links to your claim?
Absolutely, here you go. 6mph faster through the quarter mile is a lot faster. Also quicker in the 1/4 mile. 0-60 beat Lexus’ time and got 5.4 0-60.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ake-road-test/





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