Tesla Full Self Driving Thread
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But, we are still short of his target.
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and no we don't have to assume, the data is already there... human drivers overall SUCK.
I have been driving for 30 years with no accidents. So, 6 months doesn't convince me its safer than me.
you just seem to want to 'wait for perfection' to 'prove' your point.
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you are comparing over 8 billion miles of driving with just you and 'advanced courses'. hardly a relevant comparison, and yes, fsd today REQUIRES driver oversight, so it's not fully autonomous. and no one here is saying it's perfect. or better than you in all circumstances.
I haven't had an accident in decades either but without question fsd is better at driving than i am. have i seen it make mistakes... minor ones, sure, mostly navigation related, not driving.
you just seem to want to 'wait for perfection' to 'prove' your point.
you just seem to want to 'wait for perfection' to 'prove' your point.
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I'm just saying what I myself want to see before I would sit in the back seat and let the thing drive me around, I'm a long way off from doing that or believing its going to drive me and my family more safely than I can. Not saying my decision should impact anybody else. I'm just not really at all interested in being driven by a computer program.
What full FSD offers is ultimately more at the aggregate level, as cool as hell as it is to use it individually (and it absolutely is). If all cars were driven by a competent and networked computer, particularly at peak times, there would fewer accidents and, crucially, significantly faster and much more efficient traffic flow.
I like driving and appreciate a good driving road as much as anyone, but when the goal is to get as many people to their destination as quick as possible - in other words, everyone with a daily commute - there is zero doubt in my mind that everyone would get there faster and with far fewer incidents and accidents if everyone were being driven by FSD.
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If everyone were driven by FSD is a different situation than having FSD drive me on roads predominately driven on by actual people. There is an instinct that comes from experience as to what other drivers are going to do that isn't easily created artificially. I would be more comfortable being driven by FSD if every car was driven by FSD but thats not a scenario we will be in during my lifetime...
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That capability is going to be here sooner than you think. Third party solutions like comma.ai fill can already bring FSD-type self driving to cars that don't otherwise have it, and the compatible car list is surprisingly extensive.
I also think you may be overestimating your own ability (and to be clear, I don't intend that as a dig - albeit the first rule of Dunning Kruger club is that you have no idea you are a member of Dunning Kruger club
). Most people go a long time between accidents. And most people absolutely do believe themselves to be above-average drivers. It's one of the universal truisms. It's far from unusual to have a blemish-free driving record. I've never had an at fault accident either. The only one I've been involved in, with the other party at fault, was where they failed to react quickly enough when traffic ahead of us stopped. Something which would, almost certainly, have been avoided if the other party were using FSD had it been available back then...
I also think you may be overestimating your own ability (and to be clear, I don't intend that as a dig - albeit the first rule of Dunning Kruger club is that you have no idea you are a member of Dunning Kruger club
). Most people go a long time between accidents. And most people absolutely do believe themselves to be above-average drivers. It's one of the universal truisms. It's far from unusual to have a blemish-free driving record. I've never had an at fault accident either. The only one I've been involved in, with the other party at fault, was where they failed to react quickly enough when traffic ahead of us stopped. Something which would, almost certainly, have been avoided if the other party were using FSD had it been available back then...
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That capability is going to be here sooner than you think. Third party solutions like comma.ai fill can already bring FSD-type self driving to cars that don't otherwise have it, and the compatible car list is surprisingly extensive.
I also think you may be overestimating your own ability (and to be clear, I don't intend that as a dig - albeit the first rule of Dunning Kruger club is that you have no idea you are a member of Dunning Kruger club). Most people go a long time between accidents. And most people absolutely do believe themselves to be above-average drivers. It's one of the universal truisms. It's far from unusual to have a blemish-free driving record. I've never had an at fault accident either. The only one I've been involved in, with the other party at fault, was where they failed to react quickly enough when traffic ahead of us stopped. Something which would, almost certainly, have been avoided if the other party were using FSD had it been available back then...
I also think you may be overestimating your own ability (and to be clear, I don't intend that as a dig - albeit the first rule of Dunning Kruger club is that you have no idea you are a member of Dunning Kruger club
). Most people go a long time between accidents. And most people absolutely do believe themselves to be above-average drivers. It's one of the universal truisms. It's far from unusual to have a blemish-free driving record. I've never had an at fault accident either. The only one I've been involved in, with the other party at fault, was where they failed to react quickly enough when traffic ahead of us stopped. Something which would, almost certainly, have been avoided if the other party were using FSD had it been available back then...I'm not overstating my ability as a driver. I said I was an "above average driver", and I am. I didn't say I was a stunt driver, or an F1 driver, or a secret service driver lol. I have made becoming a great driver a focus in my life and gave spent time and energy being trained and practicing etc, I think anybody would say that makes me "above average".
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I don't know where I rank on driving skills scale (probably below average. Lol) but I for sure don't trust FSD over myself. Would I use it as a tool to assist? Honestly, not really unless it's less expensive or free. It was personally hard for me to adjust the system to drive similar the way I like. I would prefer something like Enhanced AutoPilot or DAPP where it would help me stay safe but in control to decide when to move. No doubt I could make mistakes that would have been avoided by FSD. But no way I would feel comfortable sitting there letting it drive. After that one encounter, I always found myself in "ready to react" mode, it's a lot worse feeling and more stressful than driving the car myself. Totally not worth it for me. If you trust FSD enough to use it, it's a wonderful technology. No doubt. Being able to bring the car to you is already unreal.
