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Solar is the future of energy
Price of hydro is highly misleading most of the infrastructure was built long ago when the value for dollar was much better. New, mass scale hydro projects are rare because of staggering cost and we're running out of rivers to dam.
But all that has changed. Next year, solar photovoltaic capacity will leapfrog that of hydropower, according to the International Energy Agency. In three years, it will overtake gas-fired generation. And, in four years, it will push past coal — to boast the largest share of generation capacity of any power source.
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I think dams are marvels of engineering. I'm also scared of them, if there's a phobia for that. The worst and scariest possible death I could imagine would to be sucked through a dam. At least it would be relatively quick..
I can't BELIEVE how close fisherman get to them. People are killed all the time at this one dam here. They all try to sue and lose.
Earlier I saw a reel or some YouTube.... a guy was inside a lock...... on a jet ski. You couldn't pay me a million dollars to do that.
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I was talking about solar.
I think dams are marvels of engineering. I'm also scared of them, if there's a phobia for that. The worst and scariest possible death I could imagine would to be sucked through a dam. At least it would be relatively quick..
I can't BELIEVE how close fisherman get to them. People are killed all the time at this one dam here. They all try to sue and lose.
Earlier I saw a reel or some YouTube.... a guy was inside a lock...... on a jet ski. You couldn't pay me a million dollars to do that.
I think dams are marvels of engineering. I'm also scared of them, if there's a phobia for that. The worst and scariest possible death I could imagine would to be sucked through a dam. At least it would be relatively quick..
I can't BELIEVE how close fisherman get to them. People are killed all the time at this one dam here. They all try to sue and lose.
Earlier I saw a reel or some YouTube.... a guy was inside a lock...... on a jet ski. You couldn't pay me a million dollars to do that.
If only half the houses in my neighborhood and surrounding areas had solar panels, the extra electricity that we generate in the summer could easily be stored away or used to power another neighborhood. If every house in just my city had solar panels, we could get rid of PG&E and probably have $0 electricity bills.
Of course you need to be in an area where you get at least 3 months of full sun, like Florida, Texas, Arizona, California etc
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You miss my point. All I said was you can't just walk into a dealership and offer them some absurd number for a car thats way below their cost and expect that they will sell you the car. Even if the car sits there a year, they're not going to lose money on it. There is not $15,000 worth of profit in an F150 for the dealership...the fact that Ford loses $36k on every Lightning means nothing to the dealership, they're working on a delta between their cost and what they can sell the car for...
As an example, my Pacifica had an MSRP of $62,000, I paid $45,900 out the door for it in October. My business partner just bought the same Pacifica yesterday, he paid $55,000 out the door. The market is not stronger, the rebates are just less.
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The incentives are on remainder 2023 only, because 2024 models are now being built and will ship soon.
2024 pricing was already released and isn't changing. The MSRP on mine drops from about $92K to about $85K, which is what I paid with the tax credit, but heat pump aside (which doesn't make any difference here) mine is better equipped than the 2024 models. There's a new Platinum Black (which doesn't really add much) that's still 92K
And most people aren't getting the 90K versions. They are getting the 64K XLT or the 70K to 80K Flash or Lariat (because the 54K Pro is already sold out for 2024)
2024 pricing was already released and isn't changing. The MSRP on mine drops from about $92K to about $85K, which is what I paid with the tax credit, but heat pump aside (which doesn't make any difference here) mine is better equipped than the 2024 models. There's a new Platinum Black (which doesn't really add much) that's still 92K
And most people aren't getting the 90K versions. They are getting the 64K XLT or the 70K to 80K Flash or Lariat (because the 54K Pro is already sold out for 2024)
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As an aside, the invoice price on an F150 Lightning is........ $10 more than MSRP.
Ford pays dealers very differently on this than on regular F150 trucks. There are multiple conditions and requirements that trigger payments, it's not a traditional invoice with a discount from MSRP model. And Steve is right, most of the "dealer incentives" come from Ford.
Ford pays dealers very differently on this than on regular F150 trucks. There are multiple conditions and requirements that trigger payments, it's not a traditional invoice with a discount from MSRP model. And Steve is right, most of the "dealer incentives" come from Ford.
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The incentives are on remainder 2023 only, because 2024 models are now being built and will ship soon.
2024 pricing was already released and isn't changing. The MSRP on mine drops from about $92K to about $85K, which is what I paid with the tax credit, but heat pump aside (which doesn't make any difference here) mine is better equipped than the 2024 models. There's a new Platinum Black (which doesn't really add much) that's still 92K
And most people aren't getting the 90K versions. They are getting the 64K XLT or the 70K to 80K Flash or Lariat (because the 54K Pro is already sold out for 2024)
2024 pricing was already released and isn't changing. The MSRP on mine drops from about $92K to about $85K, which is what I paid with the tax credit, but heat pump aside (which doesn't make any difference here) mine is better equipped than the 2024 models. There's a new Platinum Black (which doesn't really add much) that's still 92K
And most people aren't getting the 90K versions. They are getting the 64K XLT or the 70K to 80K Flash or Lariat (because the 54K Pro is already sold out for 2024)