People are just not excited about Lexus. Great cars, but nothing exciting other than a few like the LC, IS500, RCF etc. BTW, in two years I've seen like only two LC's, and zero IS500's, which means there is not much excitement.

That's the brilliance of Tesla. When Elon is not putting his foot in his mouth, he's creating excitement for the company. Tesla spends no money on marketing, and yet Model Y and Model 3 are the two best selling cars in California. He took a page from Steve Jobs and put in some steroids...minus the marketing budget, which Apple spends a lot on. When Elon is not putting his foot in his mouth, the guys brilliant.

Yeah Tesla does have some overzealous fans that can be obnoxious, but I've only met one or two. Most you find online. Maybe that where Tesla's marketing dollar is going LoL.

And lastly, I think Spywolf may have hit on something. As a Tesla owner myself, other than trying to correct misinformation, I really don't care what Elon says and does, or if others think Tesla's are ugly or stupid, unless I'm wearing my investor hat. I want the stock to go straight up, and keep climbing. Occasional dips opening up buying opportunities is fine, but when the stock plummets, I can see long term investors trying to pump it back up anyway they can

 

Is excitement the right word? I personally can't imagine looking at a model 3/y/x and feel excited lol. Nothing against Tesla, because I have the same feeling towards most EVs including BMW, taycan, etc. The only EVs I can think of that I had the feeling of excitement was the Rivian r1t, cyber truck, VW Buzz.

It's really subjective but when you say excitement, for example do fans of Tesla turn their heads when they see a Tesla? When I see a LC500, GSF, ISF my head is on a swivel lol. I know it will be the same for the cybertruck.

It's funny how before Lexus was seen as having no soul and that's how I view tesla.

Maybe it's the rarity that excites me? Because even seeing a C63 which imo looks similar to a regular c class, I get excited and turn my head staring.


​​​​​​It also may be because of my own personal outlook, don't want a vehicle that is common. I don't want a black / grey / white vehicle. I don't want an iPhone. Even supercars, I would take the new ford gt or lfa over any Lambo, McLaren, ferrari.

 

You mean…like a cult leader? lol

 

You are absolutely correct, there is nothing exciting about a Model Y and Model 3...what makes them exciting is that they are fun to drive and super efficient. I think people are also intrigued about the software and tech, which is constantly getting better every OTA update. Think of the Model Y as a RAV4 and the Model 3 as the Camry....except they are fun to drive. I bought the Model Y due to it's super utility as a family SUV, not because I thought it was super exciting.

The Polestar on the other hand....put your foot down and damn...that's fun!

 

Yes, I guess you can call him that. I don't consider him my leader in any sense of the word, just a really smart guy who figured out how to build great BEV's and make them popular. Or at least was able to build a brilliant team of engineers

 

Using the term cult is pure cope, desperately trying to explain a companies massive success. Apple is flat out a cult go to any Apple store it's disturbing on some level. I'll be very happy if Tesla stock goes to the cult level of Apple that will give me about a 40x return. Bring on the cult.
Buzz is a massive let down. It's slow, software is terrible interior materials are super cheap. I'm very disappointed, the idea of the Buzz is awesome.

 

Apple is also a cult, I’ve said that repeatedly.

 

HAha I like the examples you provided. A rav4 and a Camry which I agree is in no way exciting lol. I used to be excited for the new android OS every year, now I delay installing it for months. As an owner I can see the excitement of it being fun to drive and fast but as an onlooker it does nothing...same goes for a Camry and rav4. The tech I'm still not a believer it will ever be completed in my life time. I am referring to level 5, no restrictions, by any manufacturer / company.

 

Cult generally means a SMALL GROUP of people engaging in self destructive and sinister behaviour. It's the wrong term, applied as cope like I said.
It will happen for sure. The rate of improvement strongly points to this.

 

That’s one definition. This is the other definition that applies to Tesla and Apple both:

 

I'm not one of those that really care much about Level 3 or Level 4 autonomous driving, this tech is only useful to me as crash mitigation or assisting me in spotting and maybe reacting faster than I can in crash avoidance, and maybe handling driving in stop and go scenarios.

Let me rephrase a little. I compare the Model Y and 3 to RAV4 and Camry in the sense that both these car's serve a utilitarian purpose, and are geared for everyday drivers, but if you rate a RAV4 as a 7, than a Model Y is a 15....IMO of course. Not putting down the RAV4, but it's primitive in comparison. What makes the Model Y and 3 better cars...IMO of course is they are so far ahead technically in software, driving dynamics and efficiency that's no contest between the two. The only advantage the RAV4 has is it has further range...but for someone like me that's not that important

I actually enjoy daily driving my Y, where as if I had a RAV4 or Camry, I wouldn't hate it, but I wouldn't necessarily enjoy it

 

I made an error in my wording for the last post. In no way shape or form did I mean a Camry or rav4 is fun to drive as a model y or 3 lol. I agree with out on all your points except I would trust a rav4 more offroad than a model y.

As an investor I thought you would care more about autonomous driving since Tesla calls themselves a tech/ai company and not an auto company.

 

Got it. There's actually a video showing a model Y outperforming several off road vehicles on a sand dune, you can either find it in my Model Y thread or the Tesla business thread. Also, model Y has a snow mode, which I haven't tried... because we don't have snow here. That said, I would never take my Y off roading

 

It has more to do with ground clearance and the battery getting damaged hitting a rock. The sienna has more ground clearance.

 

Really, ours doesn't. It hasn't snowed here yet, so we haven't had the opportunity to see how it drives, but everything I've seen just says to run in Chill mode. Some say to use off-road mode to keep the front/rear power bias more equal. The big concern is with regen braking.