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They keep forgetting that part 
I would never roadtrip the Rivian if it didn't gain access to the Tesla network. EA stations top out at 4 plugs and most of them don't provide the marked power. I haven't used many but between a handful of EVGo and EA charging sessions, I never crossed 100kW charging
I would never roadtrip the Rivian if it didn't gain access to the Tesla network. EA stations top out at 4 plugs and most of them don't provide the marked power. I haven't used many but between a handful of EVGo and EA charging sessions, I never crossed 100kW charging
I've charged at one RAN before in Rhode Island and it was nice. I believe that one had 6 chargers available and was still limited to Rivians so availability was not an issue. I'd love to visit the outpost they have in Joshua Tree one day
Racer
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One of the main reasons China has been able to really accelerate EV adoption has been unified charging protocol and consistent infrastructure. With folks moving to Tesla charging protocol, all thats left is building out chargers at a consistent pace, on almost gas station parity.
Home charging should be primary but, if one has as many chargers as gas stations, folks wont have to dedicate mental capacity for planning a trip.
Home charging should be primary but, if one has as many chargers as gas stations, folks wont have to dedicate mental capacity for planning a trip.
Lexus Test Driver
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Totally agree with this. If everyone was on the same page on day one, most of the issues related to range anxiety would have already been in the past.
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They keep forgetting that part I would never roadtrip the Rivian if it didn't gain access to the Tesla network. EA stations top out at 4 plugs and most of them don't provide the marked power. I haven't used many but between a handful of EVGo and EA charging sessions, I never crossed 100kW charging
I would never roadtrip the Rivian if it didn't gain access to the Tesla network. EA stations top out at 4 plugs and most of them don't provide the marked power. I haven't used many but between a handful of EVGo and EA charging sessions, I never crossed 100kW charging
My daughter just got a notification that she can now use her Bolt at Tesla superchargers. She only charges at home, and doesn't trip with it, but it somehow gives her peace of mind
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The charging issue isn't because there have been competing standards (and remember, outside the US even Tesla uses CCS), it's because the likes of EA etc could neither build reliable charging stations nor maintain them properly to keep them up and running. Putting a NACS connector on an EA charger doesn't suddenly make the EA charging station any more reliable. The problem was never the plug or the standard, the problems were everything apart from the plug and the standard. Adapters have shown how easy it is to co-exist, and everyone should have one. The problem has been only Tesla built out a reliable network, and the reason for the reliability is the stations were better. At the connector end, NACS or CCS is mostly a distinction without a difference, particularly now that adapters are on the scene and can convert in both directions.
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The charging issue isn't because there have been competing standards (and remember, outside the US even Tesla uses CCS), it's because the likes of EA etc could neither build reliable charging stations nor maintain them properly to keep them up and running. Putting a NACS connector on an EA charger doesn't suddenly make the EA charging station any more reliable. The problem was never the plug or the standard, the problems were everything apart from the plug and the standard. Adapters have shown how easy it is to co-exist, and everyone should have one. The problem has been only Tesla built out a reliable network, and the reason for the reliability is the stations were better. At the connector end, NACS or CCS is mostly a distinction without a difference, particularly now that adapters are on the scene and can convert in both directions.
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They keep forgetting that part I would never roadtrip the Rivian if it didn't gain access to the Tesla network. EA stations top out at 4 plugs and most of them don't provide the marked power. I haven't used many but between a handful of EVGo and EA charging sessions, I never crossed 100kW charging
I would never roadtrip the Rivian if it didn't gain access to the Tesla network. EA stations top out at 4 plugs and most of them don't provide the marked power. I haven't used many but between a handful of EVGo and EA charging sessions, I never crossed 100kW charging
but about tesla chargers... if the majority of ev's become tesla connector ones what will companies like electrify america do? will they be shut out or just go away due to lack of customers? or will they license nacs plug so they can work with newer ev's?
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well i've used EA and one Florida Power charger and all times between 175 and 250kW or so charging.
yeah all we need is a dictator or a tech bro in charge. oh wait. (that's a joke folks!)
but about tesla chargers... if the majority of ev's become tesla connector ones what will companies like electrify america do? will they be shut out or just go away due to lack of customers? or will they license nacs plug so they can work with newer ev's?
yeah all we need is a dictator or a tech bro in charge. oh wait. (that's a joke folks!)
but about tesla chargers... if the majority of ev's become tesla connector ones what will companies like electrify america do? will they be shut out or just go away due to lack of customers? or will they license nacs plug so they can work with newer ev's?
Lexus Test Driver
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The charging issue isn't because there have been competing standards (and remember, outside the US even Tesla uses CCS), it's because the likes of EA etc could neither build reliable charging stations nor maintain them properly to keep them up and running. Putting a NACS connector on an EA charger doesn't suddenly make the EA charging station any more reliable. The problem was never the plug or the standard, the problems were everything apart from the plug and the standard. Adapters have shown how easy it is to co-exist, and everyone should have one. The problem has been only Tesla built out a reliable network, and the reason for the reliability is the stations were better. At the connector end, NACS or CCS is mostly a distinction without a difference, particularly now that adapters are on the scene and can convert in both directions.
Just looking at the big picture, it seems dumb to need an adapter to charge your EV. It adds another potential failure point to the mix. Could you imagine if you needed one to fill your car with gas, because BP's pumps are not compatible with Shell's? I'm glad they're all finally coming around, albeit late.
EA and EVGo have already committed to adding NACS cables to their stations. They've already been deploying dual plug chargers with the old CHAdeMO plugs, so old leaf drivers are probably going to feel the brunt of the transition towards NACS.
