General EV Conversation
Racer
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Over here it depends on the country - a "displacement" tax is nowhere near universal and is gone from most places where it used to be - replaced by fuel economy taxes, if even that. It's not a universal EU thing.
Lexus Champion
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You do realize 80% of our nation’s electricity comes from fossil fuels? Completely pointless. Americans plugging their cars in isn’t some noble thing.
Just buy what you want.
Lexus Test Driver
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Explain then why Lexus doesn't offer the non-hybrid V6 LS500 or ES350 anywhere in Europe. When manufacturers sell cars in Europe it's one-size fits all (unless you're in the UK with right hand drive).
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You do realize 80% of our nation’s electricity comes from fossil fuels? Completely pointless.
Americans plugging their cars in isn’t some noble thing.
Just buy what you want.
Lexus Fanatic
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From: Maryland
Even if all the energy comes from Fossil fuels of course reducing the number of gasoline powered cars reduces air pollution. That’s just common sense.
My stepfather for instance is “against solar power”. I mean, what is there to be against? If we can get power from the sun why wouldn’t we want to do that? If we can reduce air pollution and improve air quality why would we not want to do that? It’s the same thing with nuclear power. If we can use nuclear plants safely to generate clean energy, why would we not want to do that?
My stepfather for instance is “against solar power”. I mean, what is there to be against? If we can get power from the sun why wouldn’t we want to do that? If we can reduce air pollution and improve air quality why would we not want to do that? It’s the same thing with nuclear power. If we can use nuclear plants safely to generate clean energy, why would we not want to do that?
by massively subsidizing ev's they can export ever more oil and have major green cred.
The only reason I didn’t get one is concerns about range when I travel to WV.
Lexus Champion
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From: California
People like that believe mining for EVs is the worst thing ever for the environment and 100% of the miners are 7 year old children. You can't reason with people like that I've tried, pointed out life cycle emissions, mining required for petrol cars etc. makes zero difference. There was recently the largest oil spill in history I bet hardly anyone knows about it but if there is one EV fire it will be plastered over the media cycle for days.
I am totally baffled why anyone is against the Norway model it's awesome I wish we'd do that in Canada especially since we have the resources. The alternative is monumentally stupid, keep burning oil with nothing to show for it except pollution.
I am totally baffled why anyone is against the Norway model it's awesome I wish we'd do that in Canada especially since we have the resources. The alternative is monumentally stupid, keep burning oil with nothing to show for it except pollution.
Again, for me and 99 percent of EV owners I've talked to buy EV's because they are superior to gasoline engines. They drive smoother than the smoothest V8, they are super efficient, almost no NVH, and instant torque that is pure amazing. I drove my friends M4 Comp back to back with the new Model 3 Performance, and it's not even close. The M4 does have better seats, does look cooler, has more paint options, but doesn't drive as good as the Model 3 Performance, IMO of course. And the Model 3P gets something like 120 MPGe on top that, a nearly 600 HP car.
That's why we buy EV's. Just an all around better driving experience. I'm not knocking those who chose ICE, I'm just giving my reasons why I've chosen EV and am not going back
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Lead Lap
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For the most recent year with full data (2022), 54.23% of the electricity generated/consumed in California came from renewable / clean sources. 45.77% from fossil, with the vast majority (79.48%) of that being natural gas. Only 2.15% came from coal, and the vast majority of that (95.57%) was imported.
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From: Knoxville, TN
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But it’s still pollution and still using FFs, pretty counterproductive.. You could have a much larger carbon footprint than I do. If you live in Canada I’d say you do simply from your heating bills. How big is your house? Do you have kids? You probably have way more trash each week than I do if so. How big is your home and how many people live in it?
If you want to frame this properly, EV's use less energy, and have a smaller footprint than gasoline cars, which waste about 70 or 80 percent of their energy in heat, thus why they have huge radiators. So even if you are charging from a power source fueled by coal or oil, you are still using way less energy. The average EV burns about 1 gallon of gasoline for every 120 miles, which means overall you are using more than 50 percent less energy than it's gasoline counterpart. That mean less pollution, even from a coal or oil burning power source. Now if you don't really care (which I'm not saying), than you just don't care, but it doesn't change this fact.
But again back to why we buy EV's, it all boils down for people like me to performance, and the buttery smooth drivetrain and experience
Lexus Champion
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I would dare to say hybrid buyers are way more "environmentally conscious" then EV buyers. There was a guy on here who always posted articles on how greener hybrids are, and Toyota has funded a bunch of researchers to write papers on
But again back to why we buy EV's, it all boils down for people like me to performance, and the buttery smooth drivetrain and experience
But again back to why we buy EV's, it all boils down for people like me to performance, and the buttery smooth drivetrain and experience
I hate to be a broken record and this isn’t to you specifically but how many jets are above the continental USA at any moment? How many million dollar gigantic construction equipment are there guzzling diesel fuel at any workday moment around the country?
Lexus Champion
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I agree that it is a personal preference, or should be.
I hate to be a broken record and this isn’t to you specifically but how many jets are above the continental USA at any moment? How many million dollar gigantic construction equipment are there guzzling diesel fuel at any workday moment around the country?
I hate to be a broken record and this isn’t to you specifically but how many jets are above the continental USA at any moment? How many million dollar gigantic construction equipment are there guzzling diesel fuel at any workday moment around the country?
Lead Lap
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And how many straw man arguments from people who have zero actual interest in the environment, or lithium extraction, or cobalt mining or whatever FUD they post about, until they self-radicalized on Facebook mom groups?
Lexus Champion
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From: Knoxville, TN
Oil powers most of the world at this time, and I believe it's there for a reason. The only real way to cut our dependency on it is a combination of solar, nuclear power, wind, and hydro where possible. About 80 percent of my energy in the summer is Solar. Nuclear of course is controversial, but it's clean for the most part, and provides abundant energy. Problem in California is we have earthquakes, which could damage a reactor if a major one ever hit
Even if the whole planet got nuked head to toe it would recover in a couple hundred thousand years which isn’t a big deal either because there is still about 5 billion years left before the Sun runs out of hydrogen and engulfs the Earth as a Red Giant. THEN we have a problem. Not now, people enjoying and desiring big V8 engines in 2024 for gods sake.
That said I am very pro nuclear! At least in this country.
Watch The China Syndrome if you want a good movie about a nuclear plant disaster. It’s an oldie but goodie!
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But it’s still pollution and still using FFs, pretty counterproductive.. You could have a much larger carbon footprint than I do. If you live in Canada I’d say you do simply from your heating bills. How big is your house? Do you have kids? You probably have way more trash each week than I do if so. How big is your home and how many people live in it?