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Lead Lap
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Then you didn't watch the entire video. There were two roll races, where the Ioniq was indeed in NGS mode. Then there were two drag races from a dead stop, with NGS off. The M3 CS had a larger gap in the drag races than it did in the roll races. It had a far more violent launch (no traction problems at all) and only pulled more from then on.
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The point of that Edmunds article is that fewer Tesla owners are trading in for ICE vehicles than did back in 2019, and it doesn't mean they are abandoning EVs at all, it just means that one Tesla was traded in. That doesn't mean they don't own others. Trade in values from Tesla are notably poor, so it stands to reason that if you were to trade one you'd do so with a different manufacturer.
Needless to say, someone appears to have read the headline, but not the article...
Needless to say, someone appears to have read the headline, but not the article...
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The point of that Edmunds article is that fewer Tesla owners are trading in for ICE vehicles than did back in 2019, and it doesn't mean they are abandoning EVs at all, it just means that one Tesla was traded in. That doesn't mean they don't own others. Trade in values from Tesla are notably poor, so it stands to reason that if you were to trade one you'd do so with a different manufacturer.
Needless to say, someone appears to have read the headline, but not the article...
Needless to say, someone appears to have read the headline, but not the article...
we all know build quality (and depreciation due to massive price cuts on new ones) was (very) bad on older teslas, so many people probably said to heck with that for their next car but non-tesla ev's weren't appealing either so they went ice. have a feeling they'll be back. 
but the whole car market is pretty whacked... you have used teslas that re dirt cheap (so will still find new ev buyers), used 'reliable' cars like toyotas that cost as much as new, new teslas that are better value AND quality than ever, and new non-teslas that just seem to be priced higher and higher and distributors and dealers adding on so many cost items it's ridiculous. i sometimes wonder how it's possible that so many new cars are sold, but i think the answer now are incentives, longer financing terms, and more people leasing.
but the whole car market is pretty whacked... you have used teslas that re dirt cheap (so will still find new ev buyers), used 'reliable' cars like toyotas that cost as much as new, new teslas that are better value AND quality than ever, and new non-teslas that just seem to be priced higher and higher and distributors and dealers adding on so many cost items it's ridiculous. i sometimes wonder how it's possible that so many new cars are sold, but i think the answer now are incentives, longer financing terms, and more people leasing.
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Lead Lap
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We also see a lot around here. They do seem to be slowly but surely gaining some traction. I think their issue was they were initially higher priced, and also that they only have a Model S competitor - and the Model S no longer sells in volume either. Until the upcoming SUV and a smaller sedan and SUV are available, they are really only playing in one very specific niche and that niche isn't particularly lucrative.
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Just got back from a week in NJ. My mother in law had colon cancer surgery (she's fine, everything looks good). We had both cars and did a lot of running around. She lives about 50 miles from my sister in law where we were staying and where the kids were playing with their cousins. So at different times of day both cars were driven the 100 mile round trip to the hospital and back, plus the 250 mile trip up there and back.
I gotta say, I was really glad I didn't have the i7. Not having to worry about charging in the middle of all that was good. Had my BIL/SIL had a level 2 charger it would have been fine, but they don't.
Obviously not something that anybody does on a regular basis but its one of those experiences that makes you think EVs are just not quite there yet to where you really can use them same as an ICE car in extreme circumstances.
In 3-4 years when I replace this my BIL will have an EV (he wants a Tesla shortly) so he will have a level 2 charger, and there will be a lot more options, open Tesla superchargers etc where a week like this week would have been fine.
I gotta say, I was really glad I didn't have the i7. Not having to worry about charging in the middle of all that was good. Had my BIL/SIL had a level 2 charger it would have been fine, but they don't.
Obviously not something that anybody does on a regular basis but its one of those experiences that makes you think EVs are just not quite there yet to where you really can use them same as an ICE car in extreme circumstances.
In 3-4 years when I replace this my BIL will have an EV (he wants a Tesla shortly) so he will have a level 2 charger, and there will be a lot more options, open Tesla superchargers etc where a week like this week would have been fine.
last weekend did a 200 mi. round trip journey without recharging. not any kind of record but longest one i'd done. i charged to 100% before leaving. as i got close to the end with 50 ish mi. of range left showing, i experimented with turning off a/c entirely (it was evening here so doable) and driving gently and it ddi extend the range. that trip was over 90% highway and i could do 80 or 60 or whatever. i drove most of it around 70.