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The argument that Toyota released a half baked product on purpose is just a head shaker. It's definitely not fair to try and release a new product and expect it to match the model Y, because that vehicle is light years ahead of all the BEV competition, but if you can't even make a car as good as Hyundai/Kia, than don't make it. If you're not ready, don't release it and pretend you weren't trying, that just doesn't pass the smell test. That excuse just doesn't fly, IMO
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I'm going to tread lightly here because if you remember, both of us got booted from the bz4x thread back in 2022 by no other than my friend, Bitkahuna 🤣
The argument that Toyota released a half baked product on purpose is just a head shaker. It's definitely not fair to try and release a new product and expect it to match the model Y, because that vehicle is light years ahead of all the BEV competition, but if you can't even make a car as good as Hyundai/Kia, than don't make it. If you're not ready, don't release it and pretend you weren't trying, that just doesn't pass the smell test. That excuse just doesn't fly, IMO
The argument that Toyota released a half baked product on purpose is just a head shaker. It's definitely not fair to try and release a new product and expect it to match the model Y, because that vehicle is light years ahead of all the BEV competition, but if you can't even make a car as good as Hyundai/Kia, than don't make it. If you're not ready, don't release it and pretend you weren't trying, that just doesn't pass the smell test. That excuse just doesn't fly, IMO
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The Ioniq 5 and EV6 are pretty much at the top of the segment right behind Tesla, so that's a pretty high bar. The BZ and its Subaru counterpart are nothing more than mediocre compliance vehicles with little thought, effort, or investment put into them, and it shows. Arguably the only worse EV is the MX-30, which isn't even on sale here anymore.
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I totally agree, previously owning the Ioniq EV, and now the Ioniq 5. The reason I use Hyundai and Kia as a comparison is because they seem to be high on the trash list of Toyota/Lexus owners, so I would think that being under the Hyundai/Toyota bar would be a badge of shame. Apparently not
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I definitely would. As far as compelling EVs from "legacy" automakers go, there's Hyundai/Kia and BMW, and then there's everyone else. Throw Polestar in with those first two if you consider them Volvo rather than their own thing.
Edit: My bad. I'd buy an Ioniq 5/6, not a BZ/RZ.
Edit: My bad. I'd buy an Ioniq 5/6, not a BZ/RZ.
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This may be as bad as the BZ, but we don't get it in the US:
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Trust me, you're better off with the $100 Pitbull, everything intact 😂
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and..."buick encore gx - you've never heard of it."
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