Originally Posted by Bob04

Sure. How many gasoline vehicles did the government pay people to buy? How many gasoline stations did the government pay for?

Originally Posted by AJT123

I didn't say he said that lol. However scenario was brought up where gas was $7 and that there may be "no choice" or "game over" or something.

I'm not trying to get tit for tat here, I got his point... Let's move on before we get stopped.

Originally Posted by SW17LS

The government has paid for plenty of gasoline vehicles and gas stations, oil refineries, subsidies for transport etc.

Originally Posted by LeX2K

U.S. will be the last market to move into EVs en masse.

Originally Posted by SW17LS

@bitkahuna we went out for dinner with our neighbors who have the Ioniq 5 tonight, my wife drove it to dinner and I drove it back from dinner. Its seriously nice! Super comfortable, rides great, really quiet and refined. Great ambient lighting, really like it!

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

now that's funny. maybe canada will take longer. or, or, bolivia. or kuwait or indonesia.



cool! it's pretty 'simple' inside and not luxurious, but with more normal controls than a tesla, and the drive/ride are a great balance. it's also surprisingly roomy... but the big wheelbase relative to its length with short front/rear overhangs means the passenger space in particular is huge.

it took me a bit to warm up to its looks after it came out but now i love it.

Originally Posted by AJT123

I didn't say you were against them. And I don't want to get into politics but that's really black and white. I hate the government and government intervention, but am I glad my tax dollars go to School Zone signs to protect kids and helps the single mother who lost her job feed her kids and pay her rent.

They still sell a lot of Suburbans and GM makes a fortune on each one.

They're just expensive, they've (all the big ones) have become the luxury car of SUVs.

Not including the Escalade, the big boys at GM sell about a quarter million of these a year. I went to GM Authority and roughly added them up for 2023, that's not exact. At least 250,000 of them, and let's say conservatively each is 60k....poof. Money from the sky.

That's a shytton of expensive trucks. And the profit margins are just HUGE.

They ain't worried about Honda crossovers. But yes, there are many more choices as opposed to long ago.

Big American BOF SUVs are never going anywhere, ever. Especially the Suburban. Gas/electric/nuclear/popcorn-machine-powered lol.

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

cool! it's pretty 'simple' inside and not luxurious, but with more normal controls than a tesla, and the drive/ride are a great balance. it's also surprisingly roomy... but the big wheelbase relative to its length with short front/rear overhangs means the passenger space in particular is huge.

it took me a bit to warm up to its looks after it came out but now i love it.

Originally Posted by AMIRZA786

You really think that's a lot of Suburbs sold?

Originally Posted by AJT123

Between Suburbans, Tahoes, Yukons, and Yukon XLs, yes it's about 250,000 they sold last year.

It's no right or wrong or good or bad or too many or too few, that's just the approximate figure I wanted to lay out.

Originally Posted by AMIRZA786

250,000 is also not that many. And I bet most of those are government.... FBI, DEA, state and city police departments etc. If it was 250k a quarter, that would be impressive. If you think 250k in a year is impressive, than you and I have different ideas of what "a lot" is

Originally Posted by BayeauxLex

My friend’s ‘21 M3LR screen is messing up again after getting it back from service. He believes it’s due to the heat related. When it’s hot in the car, the screens go bezerk but once it cools down, he said the screen is fine.

So it wasn’t the “screen protector” that Tesla service say they removed. So I believe he’s using the cabin overheat protection now. No one else experience this? Worst part is, it’s not summer yet. 100+ degree + humidity summers 🥵