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I think EV and hybrid sales will continue to grow but not at such crazy pace as some predicted. Without government incentives and 0% financing from Ford, their EV sales would be much worse.
Let the free market decide and allow people to buy V8 and V12 not just the billionaires. There is room for all these cars hybrids, ICE, EV etc. Just like some ppl are ok with small apartment and other want 5 acres of land for their one family house.
Let the free market decide and allow people to buy V8 and V12 not just the billionaires. There is room for all these cars hybrids, ICE, EV etc. Just like some ppl are ok with small apartment and other want 5 acres of land for their one family house.
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I think EV and hybrid sales will continue to grow but not at such crazy pace as some predicted. Without government incentives and 0% financing from Ford, their EV sales would be much worse.
Let the free market decide and allow people to buy V8 and V12 not just the billionaires. There is room for all these cars hybrids, ICE, EV etc. Just like some ppl are ok with small apartment and other want 5 acres of land for their one family house.
Let the free market decide and allow people to buy V8 and V12 not just the billionaires. There is room for all these cars hybrids, ICE, EV etc. Just like some ppl are ok with small apartment and other want 5 acres of land for their one family house.
So in all fairness, government needs to stop subsidizing oil and gas, as well as EV'S. Then we'll see where people's wallets go
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I'm baffled how people can complain about EV subsidies and not be bothered by fossil fuel subsidies. In 2022 the number was $7 trillion. Trillion not billion.
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2006, and gas shot up to the $5 mark. My brother would have to put his credit card in twice just to fill up... and this was at least twice a week. So all of a sudden people were selling their suburbans, and the Honda Fit became the most popular car in the Bay area. I remember it was the top recommended car from consumer reports at the time.
If the government stops subsidizing oil, we'll have prices like Europe, where they pay $7 or $8 a gallon. So take away all oil subsidies, as well as any EV tax credits, and you'll see people start looking at EV'S and actual test driving them. Game over
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Some of you. are forgetting fossil fuels do wayyyyyyyy more than just fill up our gas tanks... jack all that up everything else goes up even more.
There is no reason to raise gas prices just to try to get people to get into an EV.
WADR, Amirza.... Suburbans still do rule the road lol. Know how many Suburbans and Yukons I saw on my 13 hour drive yesterday?
You just can't beat them for hauling and traveling and comfort and safety, and they are just better than ever.
There is no reason to raise gas prices just to try to get people to get into an EV.
WADR, Amirza.... Suburbans still do rule the road lol. Know how many Suburbans and Yukons I saw on my 13 hour drive yesterday?
You just can't beat them for hauling and traveling and comfort and safety, and they are just better than ever.
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Some of you. are forgetting fossil fuels do wayyyyyyyy more than just fill up our gas tanks... jack all that up everything else goes up even more.
There is no reason to raise gas prices just to try to get people to get into an EV.
WADR, Amirza.... Suburbans still do rule the road lol. Know how many Suburbans and Yukons I saw on my 13 hour drive yesterday?
You just can't beat them for hauling and traveling and comfort and safety, and they are just better than ever.
There is no reason to raise gas prices just to try to get people to get into an EV.
WADR, Amirza.... Suburbans still do rule the road lol. Know how many Suburbans and Yukons I saw on my 13 hour drive yesterday?
You just can't beat them for hauling and traveling and comfort and safety, and they are just better than ever.
Suburbans don't sell even near the numbers they use to. RAV4, Honda CRV and other small SUV/CUV out sell them by a large number. They used to be the most popular SUV in SoCal, but not longer. I rarely see new ones, most of the ones I see are 90's or early 2000 models. You can pull up the sales numbers yourself
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Thats not what he was suggesting. He was saying if someone is against subsidies for EVs and EV development they should also be against oil subsidies...if you're against subsidies, be against subsidies.
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Yep, I'm just saying let's play fair, and let's not be hypocritical. If people don't believe in government intervention and handouts, let's apply this evenly across the board
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I'm not against fossil fuels. And I do like the Suburban, I only brought this up because people criticize EV tax credits, but love government subsidized gas. That's all I'm saying. You either hate government intervention, or you like it. Can't have it both ways.
Suburbans don't sell even near the numbers they use to. RAV4, Honda CRV and other small SUV/CUV out sell them by a large number. They used to be the most popular SUV in SoCal, but not longer. I rarely see new ones, most of the ones I see are 90's or early 2000 models. You can pull up the sales numbers yourself
Suburbans don't sell even near the numbers they use to. RAV4, Honda CRV and other small SUV/CUV out sell them by a large number. They used to be the most popular SUV in SoCal, but not longer. I rarely see new ones, most of the ones I see are 90's or early 2000 models. You can pull up the sales numbers yourself
They still sell a lot of Suburbans and GM makes a fortune on each one.
They're just expensive, they've (all the big ones) have become the luxury car of SUVs.
Not including the Escalade, the big boys at GM sell about a quarter million of these a year. I went to GM Authority and roughly added them up for 2023, that's not exact. At least 250,000 of them, and let's say conservatively each is 60k....poof. Money from the sky.
That's a shytton of expensive trucks. And the profit margins are just HUGE.
They ain't worried about Honda crossovers. But yes, there are many more choices as opposed to long ago.
Big American BOF SUVs are never going anywhere, ever. Especially the Suburban. Gas/electric/nuclear/popcorn-machine-powered lol.
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I'm not trying to get tit for tat here, I got his point... Let's move on before we get stopped.
Last edited by AJT123; Apr 6, 2024 at 05:59 PM.