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Old Mar 14, 2024 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob04
Those are limitations of those particular models, not PHEV technology itself. PHEVs could be designed to be more performance-oriented if manufacturers felt the demand was there. EV performance with no range anxiety.
​​​​​ There are performance hybrid/PHEV'S, but the compromise is high price and fuel economy. With a BEV, the compromise is long range and in some places, charging. I foresee that being overcome in about 5 years
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Old Mar 14, 2024 | 07:14 PM
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In my observation range anxiety is something overwhelmingly expressed by people that don't own an electric vehicle.
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Old Mar 14, 2024 | 07:39 PM
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I can tell you it’s the most common hangup, may very well be that once I have an EV I wouldn’t worry about it but it does concern me
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Old Mar 14, 2024 | 07:42 PM
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Even if I owned a BEV I wouldn’t dare take it on a roadtrip. It would be an in town commuter car only because that’s where it’s best at.
"roadtrip" is a broad term. it sounds like you do very long road trips. i've done 2 weekend getaways to 'get my feet wet' about the public charging experience and it's been completely positive. granted i'm doing a 1000 mile road trip and i have absolutely NO interest in doing that in ANY car.

I can’t comprehend to compromise spending hrs stopping to charge on roadtrips especially if I had a gas vehicle I can drive instead.
again it's not hours with the right car and charger. i spent less than an hour total round trip charging on my recent weekend getaways. the first getaway was 13 minutes charging one way and about 20 the other way, and the longer second getaway was 19 minutes charging one way and about 10 minutes the other way. (the difference on charging before coming back was due to driving at the getaway location). does it take a bit of planning because chargers are not as plentiful as gas stations? of course, but it's no big deal. there's lots of things i don't do without some planning or research.

you seem pretty obsessed about using your phev in electric mode as much as possible. i'm guessing that takes a bit of planning with such tiny battery.

An EV on a roadtrip isn’t a compromise I’m willing to make.
understood, but it doesn't have to be a big compromise.

Originally Posted by BayeauxLex
This morning like every morning I disconnected the charger from my car and started my morning routine. About 3 miles away from home my engine turned on. Out of EV range.
guessing you forgot to look at the battery state of charge when heading out? i don't leave the house without knowing my state of charge. for a day i know i'm only going to office and back, 50% is plenty. if i think i might be doing other calls i'll generally start with 80.

I’m not opposed to having a BEV. In my case I would never roadtrip it.
never is a long time.
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Old Mar 14, 2024 | 07:57 PM
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Yeah over 400 miles one way I’m not driving on a trip. So, I’m looking at one stop probably for 35 minutes or so, that’s a far cry from “6 hours charging”. If I felt confident that I could make that one stop in a stress free way I wouldn’t worry about it.
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Old Mar 14, 2024 | 08:04 PM
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Why not just have one good ICE vehicle and one good EV. Solved!!!
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Old Mar 14, 2024 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
Why not just have one good ICE vehicle and one good EV. Solved!!!
Shazam, easy peesy. Lol

One of each sounds good.
Highway cruiser for travel and an EV for local runs.
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Old Mar 14, 2024 | 08:09 PM
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Why not just have one good ICE vehicle and one good EV. Solved!!!
For me that doesn’t work because I need to be able to travel in both cars. So, even if I were to have both I’m still going to be traveling in the EV
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Old Mar 14, 2024 | 08:18 PM
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For me that doesn’t work because I need to be able to travel in both cars. So, even if I were to have both I’m still going to be traveling in the EV
Ok, so you need 3 cars. Lol

Hey, you could always hand one down to your kids when they get to driving age, maybe.
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No, I don’t lol. Nowhere to park a third car
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No, I don’t lol. Nowhere to park a third car
I have five cars parked in my back yard area parking (Sienna, Polestar, Ioniq 5, Model Y, and Chevy bolt), but I wouldn't recommend it 🤣🤣
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Old Mar 14, 2024 | 08:40 PM
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Yeah I would have to park a third car on the street
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Yeah I would have to park a third car on the street
I had to park on the street when I was old enough to drive.

My dad didn't like it at all but I'm just glad I was allowed to still live at home.

"Sorry son, nowhere to park, you'll have to move out". Haha
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
In my observation range anxiety is something overwhelmingly expressed by people that don't own an electric vehicle.
I once owned a battery lawn mower. My wife would say it’s taking me longer to mow the grass. I had to strategize how to mow my yard on 1 charge. I definitely had range anxiety. I had to sacrifice using the self propel feature and I had to mow often and not in the morning when the grass was still wet. I loved that mower. Quiet and lightweight but it didn’t work for me. Retuned it on the final day of the return period.

My friend who recommended the mower to me had to replace his battery after 3-4 years at the cost of a gas mower.


Originally Posted by bitkahuna
"roadtrip" is a broad term. it sounds like you do very long road trips. i've done 2 weekend getaways to 'get my feet wet' about the public charging experience and it's been completely positive. granted i'm doing a 1000 mile road trip and i have absolutely NO interest in doing that in ANY car.

200-550 mile one way trips are my limit.


you seem pretty obsessed about using your phev in electric mode as much as possible. i'm guessing that takes a bit of planning with such tiny battery.

I have 6 vehicles. Gas can get expensive especially with one having a 38 gallon tank. Charge at home. Charge at work. Simple. Just remembered I need to go plug in. .



guessing you forgot to look at the battery state of charge when heading out? i don't leave the house without knowing my state of charge. for a day i know i'm only going to office and back, 50% is plenty. if i think i might be doing other calls i'll generally start with 80.

This time I honestly did. I was still asleep. Good thing I have gas as a backup. If you planned on going to the office and back so you charge to 50%. Let’s says things come up after work leaving the office, what’s your option?

never is a long time.

ever
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Originally Posted by BayeauxLex
I once owned a battery lawn mower. My wife would say it’s taking me longer to mow the grass. I had to strategize how to mow my yard on 1 charge. I definitely had range anxiety. I had to sacrifice using the self propel feature and I had to mow often and not in the morning when the grass was still wet. I loved that mower. Quiet and lightweight but it didn’t work for me. Retuned it on the final day of the return period.

My friend who recommended the mower to me had to replace his battery after 3-4 years at the cost of a gas mower.
I can safely tell you my friend, an EV is not an electric lawn mower. That said, I have an electric blower, and it works great. I wouldn't use one if I was a gardener though
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