I've said it a million times sorry it's so repetitive...I get 21mpg in my LX on the highway, rated for 17. Old 2008 engine and transmission, there's more proof that V8s basically don't do anything cruising. 21MPG is very good for any heavy BOF vehicle, let alone one designed and engineered twenty years ago. I don't imagine modern 1500s getting anything better worth writing home about than that. Not significantly at least.

And because it's barely having to work. 30MPG and zero fuel economy tricks in that V8 engine that I know of other than DI.

It just bugs me that that isn't good enough for the powers that be. 471hp V8 and 30MPG..... That is excellent.

 

If that were true then all the cars that have gone from V6s to turbo 4s would see drop offs in sales, and they don’t. So, if that’s true it doesn’t impact sales and that’s all carmakers care about.

Funny, I think the GH looks WAY better than the TX.

 

Really? I prefer the TX by a mile. It looks better than I thought it would in person to be honest.

 

Most people see cars as an appliance and nothing more. They really don't care about the 4 cylinder sound, and they probably don't even know it sounds that way because it's a 4 cylinder. For many of them, it's all they've ever known.

I just did a nationwide search on Cargurus. Of the XV70 Camry(2018-2024), there are 714 available with the V6 and 11,000 available with a 4 cylinder.

Looking at the Explorer for the current generation, there are 2,600 V6's available and 10,000 I4's.

This is a website for people who care about cars. We're not mainstream. The carmakers don't target us because we're not a big enough crowd to be profitable.

 

I haven't seen a TX in person, my opinion might change once I do

Exactly

 

Right, but people are gonna always buy new cars. You're not wrong though.

Lol so crazy how wildly different all our opinions are. I think the TX looks legit, it's got great paint and it looks larger than GH. Not yet seen the interior in person.

 

This. Most don't care as long as it moves the car and doesn't feel wanting, most don't go to redline and actually experience the car fully. For that reason, especially here....engines and throttles are calibrated to feel "best" at mid rpm and provide an enthusiastically non-linear response to tip in. It's jarring when I go from my cars to the other vehicles sometimes since my cars are all retuned to 1:1 throttles


There is no point buying the big engine if you aren't going to use it, much better off with the normal one. That's why my Jeep has the I-6 and the VW has the VR6 vs the V8 and V10....I gain noting with the larger engines and tow rating remains the same. However the bigger engines will always feel better overall and retain more value and certain features are paywalled behind them.

Physically small engines with turbos etc do better in low loads, if pushed and expected to move the car the way as a larger engine they use the same or more fuel. My last loaner ES250 was a great example of that, I needed to spin it to 5k+ to have the car move like the 460 does at 2500-3200 and since I got to compare them 1:1 MPG was 1.3 worse in the 250 and felt WAY worse the whole time.

In that same vein my 460 beats my 4.0 Audi interstate since off boost the Audi has the turbos in the way and an inferior NA tuning side. They get 28.5 to 32.5 on the same trip same average speed, once in boost the 4.0 drops to 21 at best, the W12 does the best balance of speed to MPG being happiest at 85 mph and 24.5 mpg.....it's still the worst of them though unless I activate it's multi cylinder management mode. Then it gains 3 but I don't like having only one engine running at a time

 

I’ve been seeing a lot of new TX’s around and they look good. It definitely looks better in person. I have not checked out the interior yet or driven the car yet.

Is the third row actually usable in these? I’ve used them in the GX470, GX460, and LX570. It absolutely sucked. I rode in the back of an LX for a work trip and it was so small. Perfect for little kids that didn’t need need car seats or boosters.

 

It had better be, as that's the sole reason this market segment exists.

 

I agree. I have the 450HL and the 3rd row has only been up once. It is an insult to think it is in any way useable.

 

At the end of the day, what's the alternative? If you want a high powered V6 or V8 cars, you go to big pickups or high end luxury vehicles or the Korean brands.

 

There have been V6s in the segment still available and people weren’t buying them.

Mainstream buyers by and large don’t care. Don’t even know. My wife has no idea what kind of engine is in either car.

I just asked her, “how many cylinders are in your car?” She says “4 I think”. Nope, 6. “How many cylinders are in my car?” Her response “8 or 12?” If I hadn’t corrected her about hers I bet she would have said mine was 6.

Most people are like her.

 

I've seen a few of them around here in NYC. Here's my local dealer lot. I took the picture yesterday.

 

Recall how everyone complained that Toyota is behind the times with their lack of turbo offerings? Lack of EVs and only going with hybrids? Well, as the saying goes, becareful what you wish for and in hindsight, Toyota is completely correct.

 

Oh yeah, they made the right move.

I'd direct everyone to go to the lower middle to poor areas of their own and count how many BEVs you see. I haven't seen any.

Hybrids aren't expensive like BEVs.