Lexus TX
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ABSOLUTELY for sure they'll be loaded down frequently with families, pets and gear, etc.
The base engine is just adequate, it's about 8 seconds 0-60 empty. What I'm saying is I don't think it will take much for it to run out of steam, at least in that setup.
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Have you driven one of these? The Rav Hybrid is not a turbo, the turbo 4 in the TX gets better power figures than the old V6. Most buyers won't even notice the difference in the engine. Then on top of that there are the hybrid options and you can get a turbo V6 hybrid. So you have options.
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The base engine is just adequate, it's about 8 seconds 0-60 empty. What I'm saying is I don't think it will take much for it to run out of steam, at least in that setup.
Who would want a 6 cyl Mercedes when you can get the V8? Because its much cheaper.
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Probably 80-90% of car buyers don't give a damn what powers their car as long as it's not gutless(and some don't even care then).
If you put a turbo-4 in a car that previously had an NA V6, most people won't care because the turbo-4 will generally make more power and torque, while having torque available at a lower RPM so you aren't near redline while going up a hill. Toyota's 2GR engine is an example of an NA V6 that needs to be wound up a bit to make any torque.
If you put a turbo-4 in a car that previously had an NA V6, most people won't care because the turbo-4 will generally make more power and torque, while having torque available at a lower RPM so you aren't near redline while going up a hill. Toyota's 2GR engine is an example of an NA V6 that needs to be wound up a bit to make any torque.
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Probably 80-90% of car buyers don't give a damn what powers their car as long as it's not gutless(and some don't even care then).
If you put a turbo-4 in a car that previously had an NA V6, most people won't care because the turbo-4 will generally make more power and torque, while having torque available at a lower RPM so you aren't near redline while going up a hill. Toyota's 2GR engine is an example of an NA V6 that needs to be wound up a bit to make any torque.
If you put a turbo-4 in a car that previously had an NA V6, most people won't care because the turbo-4 will generally make more power and torque, while having torque available at a lower RPM so you aren't near redline while going up a hill. Toyota's 2GR engine is an example of an NA V6 that needs to be wound up a bit to make any torque.
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A lot more don't than some of you think, IMO.
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I don't think the general public is so averse to 4 cylinders. They are easily the best selling cars. The reviews on the TX, even with the 4 cylinder, are good. Until very recently I was feeling very anti-4 cylinder. At this point? I don't think I'd care. They are getting better all of the time. Personally, I would choose the 500h, but I'd test the 550h too. We like hybrids, and I don't think my wife would go back. I would want more than the base turbo motor.
I have a fairly heavy 7 passenger, AWD, hybrid CUV with a V6 and electric motors, good for 306 hp. It never, ever struggles. Not in city driving, not in the mountains, never. I will eventually test one for myself, but I fail to believe that a 4 cylinder turbo hybrid, with 366 hp, will feel underpowered, even in the mountains, where turbos often do better than NA motors.
I have a fairly heavy 7 passenger, AWD, hybrid CUV with a V6 and electric motors, good for 306 hp. It never, ever struggles. Not in city driving, not in the mountains, never. I will eventually test one for myself, but I fail to believe that a 4 cylinder turbo hybrid, with 366 hp, will feel underpowered, even in the mountains, where turbos often do better than NA motors.
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I don't think the general public is so averse to 4 cylinders. They are easily the best selling cars. The reviews on the TX, even with the 4 cylinder, are good. Until very recently I was feeling very anti-4 cylinder. At this point? I don't think I'd care. They are getting better all of the time. Personally, I would choose the 500h, but I'd test the 550h too. We like hybrids, and I don't think my wife would go back. I would want more than the base turbo motor.
I have a fairly heavy 7 passenger, AWD, hybrid CUV with a V6 and electric motors, good for 306 hp. It never, ever struggles. Not in city driving, not in the mountains, never. I will eventually test one for myself, but I fail to believe that a 4 cylinder turbo hybrid, with 366 hp, will feel underpowered, even in the mountains, where turbos often do better than NA motors.
I have a fairly heavy 7 passenger, AWD, hybrid CUV with a V6 and electric motors, good for 306 hp. It never, ever struggles. Not in city driving, not in the mountains, never. I will eventually test one for myself, but I fail to believe that a 4 cylinder turbo hybrid, with 366 hp, will feel underpowered, even in the mountains, where turbos often do better than NA motors.
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The general public won't care because they've been exposed to 4-cylinder turbos for around a decade now. But to Toyota and Lexus loyal customers accustomed to the 2GR V6 within that same time period, I'm not so sure if they are as welcome to such change. Highlander sales are way down this year, and RX sales are surprisingly low as well despite being a brand new model. Part of that may be attributed to the GH and TX cannibalizing sales, but we'll get a more clear image in due time to see how Toyota customers really feel about this.
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To clarify, RX sales aren't declining, but they're about the same as what it was as the outgoing model's final years despite being brand new.
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RX seems to have always sold about the same amount throughout the years, even with a model change '15-'16, '22-'23. Here's a link, showing sales over the years:
https://carfigures.com/us-market-bra...,26%2C119,-%2D
https://carfigures.com/us-market-bra...,26%2C119,-%2D