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Old Dec 16, 2023 | 12:58 PM
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I will wait a few years and get the V 6 model. Don't want to be a first Christian.
Being an NA torque guy, if I were considering a TX, I would agree 100%. It's a big car (4700# -- dry) with the same little 4 cyl engine (with a hair drier) that they use in the NX, that's about 800# lighter than the TX. If I'm not mistaken, I believe the only V6 TX will be a PHEV. I have driven an NX loaner car, and in typical small displacement turbocharged engine fashion, when you stomp on it, there's really nothing, then the turbo kicks in and all he77 breaks loose. It's OK on the highway, but stop and go would drive me crazy. Can't imagine a 2-1/2 ton car with a 4 banger, NA or blown.

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Originally Posted by Hrocks
Being an NA torque guy, if I were considering a TX, I would agree 100%. It's a big car (4700# -- dry) with the same little 4 cyl engine (with a hair drier) that they use in the NX, that's about 800# lighter than the TX. If I'm not mistaken, I believe the only V6 TX will be a PHEV. I have driven an NX loaner car, and in typical small displacement turbocharged engine fashion, when you stomp on it, there's really nothing, then the turbo kicks in and all he77 breaks loose. It's OK on the highway, but stop and go would drive me crazy. Can't imagine a 2-1/2 ton car with a 4 banger, NA or blown.
The base engine is more than adequate. I test drove it and I was surprised by how quiet, smooth and responsive the engine is. Even at idle, I can only barely feel the engine and while moving, it is completely seamless and I didnt even mind the sound. Great improvement over the old 2.0t.

In terms of NVH, the all the doors were open and the sales guy slammed the back door when he got into the second row while I was in the 3rd row testing the survivability (I pleasantly survived). The body DIDN'T shudder at all. It felt like a tank The GH on the other hand, felt like overcooked mashed potato in comparison. The car was quiet, the suspension was supple yet handles really well and drives smaller than it really is. Overall, a Sienna is wider and more spacious, therefore a more useable vehicle. I would choose this over the Sienna if I didnt have 2 car seats to deal with limiting access to the 3rd row.
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Old Dec 18, 2023 | 05:40 PM
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My question is how are all these complex engines going to perform in the real world when these things are loaded down with gear, towing, etc. over the years. I hope to be pleasantly surprised.
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Old Dec 19, 2023 | 06:40 AM
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My question is how are all these complex engines going to perform in the real world when these things are loaded down with gear, towing, etc. over the years. I hope to be pleasantly surprised.
Well the hybrid version of this engine is going into the new LC. And if the past still holds true, it should last 25yrs or 250k miles. The battery probably wont though, but we all know that.
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Old Dec 19, 2023 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Hrocks
I have driven an NX loaner car, and in typical small displacement turbocharged engine fashion, when you stomp on it, there's really nothing, then the turbo kicks in and all he77 breaks loose. It's OK on the highway, but stop and go would drive me crazy. Can't imagine a 2-1/2 ton car with a 4 banger, NA or blown.
My thoughts as well driving the NX 350. IMO, it’s not as smooth and responsive as driving a hybrid and of course not as efficient.

Having driven the hybrid max grand Highlander, the hybrid helps with the turbo lag on the 4 cylinder but I feel the V6 PHEV TX 550 will be the best overall driving experience
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Old Dec 19, 2023 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
My question is how are all these complex engines going to perform in the real world when these things are loaded down with gear, towing, etc. over the years. I hope to be pleasantly surprised.
They'll be fine. Bear in mind vehicles like this are not heavily used, people don't tow with them. They drive 4 people around and luggage and all and thats it. This is basically a minivan
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Old Dec 19, 2023 | 02:59 PM
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They'll be fine. Bear in mind vehicles like this are not heavily used, people don't tow with them. They drive 4 people around and luggage and all and thats it. This is basically a minivan
They will be "fine" with the V6 in the Colorado mountains. I just hear the engine screaming for mercy when going up some 13,000 foot pass. No way would I want a 4 banger here in Colorado with the weight of the 550. My wife has a Rav hybrid, and it has all it can handle with the weight of the vehicle and the grades it has to climb. I believe the 4 banger is probably OK on flat land. By the way, I think my 2018 450 is use quite a bit, as it has 75000 miles.

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Old Dec 19, 2023 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by golferjack
They will be "fine" with the V6 in the Colorado mountains. I just hear the engine screaming for mercy when going up some 13,000 foot pass. No way would I want a 4 banger here in Colorado with the weight of the 550. My wife has a Rav hybrid, and it has all it can handle with the weight of the vehicle and the grades it has to climb. I believe the 4 banger is probably OK on flat land. By the way, I think my 2018 450 is use quite a bit, as it has 75000 miles.
The I4 makes more HP and Torque than the 2GR and the torque comes on at a lower RPM. The 2GR is gutless at low RPM's.

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Originally Posted by golferjack
They will be "fine" with the V6 in the Colorado mountains. I just hear the engine screaming for mercy when going up some 13,000 foot pass. No way would I want a 4 banger here in Colorado with the weight of the 550. My wife has a Rav hybrid, and it has all it can handle with the weight of the vehicle and the grades it has to climb. I believe the 4 banger is probably OK on flat land. By the way, I think my 2018 450 is use quite a bit, as it has 75000 miles.
Have you driven one of these? The Rav Hybrid is not a turbo, the turbo 4 in the TX gets better power figures than the old V6. Most buyers won't even notice the difference in the engine. Then on top of that there are the hybrid options and you can get a turbo V6 hybrid. So you have options.
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Originally Posted by golferjack
They will be "fine" with the V6 in the Colorado mountains. I just hear the engine screaming for mercy when going up some 13,000 foot pass. No way would I want a 4 banger here in Colorado with the weight of the 550. My wife has a Rav hybrid, and it has all it can handle with the weight of the vehicle and the grades it has to climb. I believe the 4 banger is probably OK on flat land. By the way, I think my 2018 450 is use quite a bit, as it has 75000 miles.
Just to clarify, but I believe the TX550 is the V6 model (right?).

I haven't driven them yet, so I'm reserving judgement for now.
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Just to clarify, but I believe the TX550 is the V6 model (right?).

I haven't driven them yet, so I'm reserving judgement for now.
The TX550+ is the V6 hybrid, TX500h is the turbo 4 hybrid
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
They'll be fine. Bear in mind vehicles like this are not heavily used, people don't tow with them. They drive 4 people around and luggage and all and thats it. This is basically a minivan
A Stylevan if you will lol!
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Originally Posted by BrettJacks
The I4 makes more HP and Torque than the 2GR and the torque comes on at a lower RPM. The 2GR is gutless at low RPM's.
Only if you have boost, otherwise it's a 2 second moment of nothing
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Originally Posted by Striker223
A Stylevan if you will lol!
Yup lol

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Only if you have boost, otherwise it's a 2 second moment of nothing
The hybrid solves this issue, Lexus with the 3.5 though have lazy throttles which causes a very annoying acceleration delay anyways.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Yup lol



The hybrid solves this issue, Lexus with the 3.5 though have lazy throttles which causes a very annoying acceleration delay anyways.
True to both points, my friend has one of those throttle booster box things for his ES to make it more 1:1
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