General EV Conversation
Excuse me all over the place.... It was a funny story. If I had an EV I would charge at home and that wouldn't have happened, that's why I put it in here. Plus, not everyone agrees in here and that was score 1 for EVs.
More typical non ev owner questions I got yesterday
how far does it go?
i say 270mi on full charge but i haven't needed to do that yet.
where do you get it charged?
at home. Easy
but it self charges right?
No that's a hybrid with a gas engine
how far does it go?
i say 270mi on full charge but i haven't needed to do that yet.
where do you get it charged?
at home. Easy
but it self charges right?
No that's a hybrid with a gas engine

2024 Hyundai Ioniq 5 Review: Still at the top of its game
Minor feature additions are the extent of 2024 changes. The Ioniq 5 N comes next year
Pros: Futuristic styling with utilitarian design; lengthy range; rapid charging; surprisingly fun to drive; excellent infotainment
Cons: Base model is less appealing; less useful cargo space than rival EVs
The electric car market is expanding and evolving rapidly, but the 2024 Hyundai Ioniq 5 continues to hover high above much of the field despite its nameplate being three years old. It still wows with its digitalized retro looks and hatchback shape that disguise the fact that it’s actually quite big. That size grants it a degree of practicality and comfort that make it a great family vehicle, while Hyundai has tuned it to be surprisingly fun to drive.The Ioniq 5 checks plenty of other key boxes, especially for the typical EV buyers. Electric range is above average and its 800-volt architecture makes it one of the fastest-charging EVs, period. Performance is quite strong, too, especially with the dual-motor model. Infotainment tech is top-notch – it looks cool and is easy to use. Safety tech is even better – it’s one of the most extensive and best-executed driver assistance suites on the market.
As much as we love the Ioniq 5, checking out the mechanically related Kia EV6 and Hyundai Ioniq 6 sedan is a must, as is the new Chevrolet Blazer EV (although its availability is limited in the coming year). One also can’t ignore the low prices and superior charging network offered by the Tesla Model 3 and Model Y. We’re not sure any of them are quite as cool as the Ioniq 5, though.
What's new for 2024?
There are a slew of added standard features that weren’t available at all last year. This includes rear seat side airbags, rear outboard seatbelt pretensioners, steering wheel haptic feedback added to the lane-keeping and blind-spot warning systems, and in-car Wi-Fi capability (subscription required). A digital rearview mirror is also now standard on the Limited.And finally, in case you’re wondering about the wild, high-performance Ioniq 5 N, it’s coming for the 2025 model year. You can read our Hyundai Ioniq 5 N review here.
What are the Ioniq 5 interior and in-car technology like?
The Ioniq 5’s cabin is big, bright and airy, with a minimalist design aesthetic that doesn’t lose sight of functionality. Everything isn’t controlled and displayed on one screen, and there are still conventional buttons and switches for things like the windows and climate controls where you expect them to be. Even the touch-sensitive buttons and electronic shifter, which can typically be a source of frustration, are well-executed.In the Limited trim, the center console is moveable, sliding forward and backward. That console is home to a pair of cupholders, a large cargo tray, a slot for a phone — with an available wireless charging pad — and a pair of USB ports. It’s a clean and calming space that’s surprisingly spacious and airy. The color palette is limited: black monotone and two-tone gray with a two-tone green sadly only available with the Digital Teal or Shooting Star exterior Limited trim levels.
Every Ioniq 5 features dual 12.3-inch displays, with one serving as the instrument panel, the other as an infotainment touchscreen. It’s one of the better infotainment systems on the market. The menus make sense, simple tasks like changing a radio station are easy, responses are quick, and it looks good. We also like the 60/40-split screen functionality that lets you look at audio and navigation, for instance, at the same time. Unfortunately, wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto are not available, which obviously means you have to plug in your phone to use them. Worse, the data USB port is under the dash down by your shin (below right), meaning your phone will end up stranded down there, too. The non-data USB ports and the available wireless charger are located in the center console (below).
The Limited trim gets a head-up display with integrated augmented reality. In addition to the usual HUD duties, it can also project images to highlight the car ahead of you, give alerts about lane safety and help indicate where and when to make the next turn on your route. If that sounds like a lot of visual information, it is, but you can tailor the content shown in your HUD through menu selections. This is the type of cutting-edge tech you can only find in upper-crust vehicles like the Mercedes-Benz S-Class.
For the rest of the review, please go to this link:
https://www.autoblog.com/article/202...fcyxCcHJ05QWN2
Just want to make a brief post here, get some stuff out in the open. When it comes to EV's, I'm a full on advocate, and I put my money where my mouth is. I own a Polestar 2, a Hyundai Ioniq 5, Model Y, and Chevy Bolt EUV (daughters car). I've driven and reviewed cars like the Model X, Model 3, Lucid Air, BMW i4 and i7, and Lucid Rivian R1T. I've driven as a passenger in an Audi E-Tron, Model S, and Model S Plaid. I'm pretty passionate about EV's in general, regardless if they are coming from legacy automakers like BMW or full on EV brands built from the ground up such as Polestar, Rivian and Tesla.
Each of the EV's I own and have driven as well as reviewed share similar characteristics, but each has its strengths and weaknesses over the other. I won't get into each of them, but what they all share is smooth, silent instant torque. What they don't share is software implementations and charging infrastructure, at least at this point in time.
You've probably guessed by now, but my Model Y is my favorite out of all of them. The reason for this is not because I'm part of or have been brainwashed by some Tesla cult. I love all my EV's. The Polestar is by far the funnest, giving cars like M5's a run for their money, the Ioniq 5 has a smoother suspension setup, better road isolation, and charges way faster (it has full 350 kW charging vs 150 kW for the Polestar and 250 kW max for the Model Y). So why the Model Y? It's simply more practical, has way better software/tech that is constantly being updated, charging infrastructure that's second to none, and lastly, a minimalist design that I thought I would hate but now love.
I fully understand that a Tesla is not for everybody. And I've never tried to push anyone, or guilt anyone into wanting to buy a Tesla. Also, I'm personally open to other EV's, such as replacing my Polestar with another one, or buying it out when it's lease is up next year (2025). I'm also open to getting another Ioniq, or even a BMW i4. The problem I have with legacy automakers...they don't seem to be in all the way. Some are pulling or pausing their investments in electrification, while Tesla on the other hand is spending Billions on factory expansions, batteries, and giga presses. This doesn't give me much confidence in legacy automakers.
Lastly, to my EV and non-EV owning friends here, I've always shown everyone respect and I've never judged what your choice of vehicle is. You never want to own an EV, are on the fence, or have no desire to own a Tesla? I'm not here to judge you. Everyone has their needs, and desires. If a Hybrid works for you, I'm not going to second guess you, everyone knows what their own needs are. I'm just here to talk about my experiences over the last three (going on four) years of EV ownership. And trying to reason that Tesla owners are cultish is pretty insulting to the majority of Tesla owners who don't even like Elon.There are people on this very forum that can't handle even minor criticisms of Toyota or Lexus...would they be classified as being part of a cult? Don't answer that, please
Alright everyone, I've vented, and I want to wish you all Happy Holidays, please stay safe
Each of the EV's I own and have driven as well as reviewed share similar characteristics, but each has its strengths and weaknesses over the other. I won't get into each of them, but what they all share is smooth, silent instant torque. What they don't share is software implementations and charging infrastructure, at least at this point in time.
You've probably guessed by now, but my Model Y is my favorite out of all of them. The reason for this is not because I'm part of or have been brainwashed by some Tesla cult. I love all my EV's. The Polestar is by far the funnest, giving cars like M5's a run for their money, the Ioniq 5 has a smoother suspension setup, better road isolation, and charges way faster (it has full 350 kW charging vs 150 kW for the Polestar and 250 kW max for the Model Y). So why the Model Y? It's simply more practical, has way better software/tech that is constantly being updated, charging infrastructure that's second to none, and lastly, a minimalist design that I thought I would hate but now love.
I fully understand that a Tesla is not for everybody. And I've never tried to push anyone, or guilt anyone into wanting to buy a Tesla. Also, I'm personally open to other EV's, such as replacing my Polestar with another one, or buying it out when it's lease is up next year (2025). I'm also open to getting another Ioniq, or even a BMW i4. The problem I have with legacy automakers...they don't seem to be in all the way. Some are pulling or pausing their investments in electrification, while Tesla on the other hand is spending Billions on factory expansions, batteries, and giga presses. This doesn't give me much confidence in legacy automakers.
Lastly, to my EV and non-EV owning friends here, I've always shown everyone respect and I've never judged what your choice of vehicle is. You never want to own an EV, are on the fence, or have no desire to own a Tesla? I'm not here to judge you. Everyone has their needs, and desires. If a Hybrid works for you, I'm not going to second guess you, everyone knows what their own needs are. I'm just here to talk about my experiences over the last three (going on four) years of EV ownership. And trying to reason that Tesla owners are cultish is pretty insulting to the majority of Tesla owners who don't even like Elon.There are people on this very forum that can't handle even minor criticisms of Toyota or Lexus...would they be classified as being part of a cult? Don't answer that, please

Alright everyone, I've vented, and I want to wish you all Happy Holidays, please stay safe
Last edited by AMIRZA786; Dec 22, 2023 at 05:01 PM.
The closest example is Apple. There are whole media services dedicated to covering Apple...same for Tesla...
Here is an article about the Tesla Cult from Psychology Today. Find another carmaker who's following has been written about in Psychology Today?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...ult-psychology
Tesla: Cult Psychology
Tesla is approaching a playground that previously only Apple played in.
Posted September 17, 2021 | Reviewed by Ekua HaganKEY POINTS
- Tesla is the new iPhone, positioning itself in the same way Apple did in the past.
- Tesla does not run a campaign. It has no ads, PR, or test drives. Therefore, it creates an elite and closed community of customers.
- While it gets great product reviews, Tesla is mostly an experience.
Apple has created a situation where a person can be assigned desirable character traits, based only on the fact they have a product with the famous Apple symbol. iPhones have now become a popular and even standard commodity.
Tesla is the new iPhone. In this case, the group also includes people who cannot buy a Tesla, but who would sacrifice just so they can ride this vehicle and associate themselves with the features that accompany it.
Building Customer Loyalty Through a Common Enemy
One thing that helped set Apple apart from other computer brands was its ability to create an enemy in the minds of consumers. Renowned psychologist Henri Tajfel discovered that by establishing minor distinctions between two groups of people he could artificially create loyalty within the groups. Apple achieved this by targeting Microsoft as the foe, while also distinguishing Apple products as the anti-PC solution.Tesla's enemies are vehicles with internal combustion engines and big automakers. Many EV drivers today derive an emotional attachment from driving something that isn't your typical gas-powered car. Another advantage for Tesla is the fact that it offers customers something different: new tech from a new company. This is similar to Apple of days past, which offered a different tech platform than PCs and a small user base which identified with being "different."
The second group of Tesla buyers includes affluent men who want to feel young. The mid-life crisis has become a code name for jokes about men buying a Mercedes with an open roof or looking for a young woman. The Tesla makes it possible to get through the mid-life crisis in style.
The third, and smallest, group is made up of people who fell in love with the story Tesla tells, in the vision of Elon Musk. Tesla has a great story, perhaps the best on the market. A story about investing in sustainability, green energy, and a sustainable future where transportation is electric and energy is renewable.
Joining an Exclusive Club
Tesla's strategy is different from that of other car importers. It produces covetousness through the fact that it does not run a campaign. In addition, it has no PR, no test rides for those interested in purchasing it, and no advertisements. If you wish to buy Tesla, you will have to order the vehicle online. This strategy causes Tesla consumers to actually belong to an exclusive group of people, a kind of closed and elitist community. I recently heard a woman laughing, saying that riding with her husband was a nightmare: Whenever he saw a Tesla passing by, he shouted – here’s another Tesla!In the age of abundance, where we suffer from information overload, it is much easier to produce desire and interest when a product brands itself as exclusive. This was Gmail's strategy in the beginning when it allowed people to join its mail service only through a friend's invite. Today, Clubhouse has adopted this strategy, which requires an invite from an existing user to use it.
Although you do not need an invitation to buy a Tesla, if you want a test drive, you need to know someone who has a Tesla. All the buzz around Tesla has led to the rapid and spontaneous development of a community addicted to the brand — which includes drivers and fans on social media, Telegram, and WhatsApp — who are interested in expanding the discourse regarding Tesla. They are the best marketers there are.
Reminder: You're Selling Experiences, Not Products
Consumer culture in the West has changed in recent years. It's shifted from the purchase of products and services to the consumption of experiences. This trend will only get stronger after the pandemic. The period of crisis and social distancing led to a reassessment of consumption habits.An extensive survey by the research firm Global Web Index, in which consumers were asked what they would prefer to purchase in the near future among product categories, found 27% would prefer the purchase of experiences over the purchase of products. Despite the expected global recession, and even though people will purchase fewer material products, there seems to be no harm in the consumption of experiences.
If in the past the functional benefit from the product was the main consideration in the purchase, today the consumption of experiences is a way of life, a way of self-realization and a way of fulfilling fantasies. The restaurant does not sell nutritious food, but a gastronomic experience. Nike does not sell running shoes, but the magic formula to achieve anything you want in life ("Just do it.").
An experience doesn't occur in the physical world; it occurs in the mental world. This is why the value of the experiences is completely detached from the product itself. Our fantasy world has enormous buying power, even though it has very little to do with objective reality.
The rules of competition have changed. Companies that do not understand this will be out of the game forever. Successful companies trade in our experiences, but not only that. The more successful a company is, the smaller the connection between what it provides and the emotional experience it evokes. Although the reviews praise Tesla in terms of instrumentation, ease of use, and performance, Tesla is mostly an experience. The marketers there knew how to sell us a great story.












