General EV Conversation
LOL, I could just keep them all!
I'm surprised by your comments. I care if people are cheating self driving tech it puts possibly me and my family in danger. And definitely some people out there. On the broader point, equal application of the law should not be too much to ask.
I don't think any auto maker should ever get a pass when it comes to safety no matter how many cars they sell.
I don't think any auto maker should ever get a pass when it comes to safety no matter how many cars they sell.
Taycan refresh should be announced pretty soon. Kyle from Out of Spec recorded a charging test that Porsche and EA had setup and the charging curve is even better than the current Taycan which is already one of the best charging cars out there. Whether the infrastructure will actually be able to support it is another question
Taycan refresh should be announced pretty soon. Kyle from Out of Spec recorded a charging test that Porsche and EA had setup and the charging curve is even better than the current Taycan which is already one of the best charging cars out there. Whether the infrastructure will actually be able to support it is another question
All relative. It’s a $250k car, a lot of them out there for such an expensive beast.
Hertz is canceling buying 65,000 EVs, that’s the latest. First they dumped 20k. No big deal right?
https://www.businessinsider.com/hert...Ccc-NLJ5XvyNV0
Hertz is canceling buying 65,000 EVs, that’s the latest. First they dumped 20k. No big deal right?
https://www.businessinsider.com/hert...Ccc-NLJ5XvyNV0
Just wondering because before you said all you see where you live are Teslas, but now there are tons of Taycans. Taycans are not all $250k either, they start at $90,000.
Constantly defending EVs to you is exhausting. Of course if Hertz is selling their EVs they’re going to cancel the ones they have on order. EVs don’t make great rental cars, it was an experiment that didn’t work out well.
Constantly defending EVs to you is exhausting. Of course if Hertz is selling their EVs they’re going to cancel the ones they have on order. EVs don’t make great rental cars, it was an experiment that didn’t work out well.

Last edited by SW17LS; Feb 6, 2024 at 09:00 PM.
Ford EV news. Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/06/ford...tegration.html
Summary: Ford's EV business unit lost almost $1.6 billion in Q4 and lost $4.7 billion in 2023.
Opinion: Ford continues to flounder in their EV business and blames it on the cost of EV's being too high compared to ICE vehicles. Meanwhile, the base price of a Mach E Mustang is within $500 of the base price of a Model Y (Mach E being cheaper). And this is current - the base model Y price used to be higher. Seems to me Ford is not making EV's that enough people want to buy, regardless of price.
DETROIT — Ford Motor is rethinking its electric vehicle strategies, including “reassessing” the need for vertical integration of batteries, CEO Jim Farley said Tuesday.
The Detroit automaker previously confirmed plans to delay or cut $12 billion in spending on all-electric vehicles, but the comments made Tuesday are the most detailed about Ford’s changing plans for EVs, sales of which are growing at a slower-than-expected rate.
“One of the things we’re taking advantage of in taking some timing delays is rationalizing the level and timing of our battery capacity to match demand and actually reassessing the vertical integration that we’re relying on, and betting on new chemistries and capacities,” Farley said during the automaker’s fourth-quarter earnings call.
Farley reiterated the company still believes EVs will grow, but noted widespread adoption for mass-market consumers won’t happen until the costs are more in line with traditional vehicles. EVs are typically thousands of dollars more expensive than their gas-powered counterparts.
Ford Chief Financial Officer John Lawler said in addition to reassessing the vertical integration in new battery chemistries, the company is further looking into adjusting installed production capacity to match demand and potentially delaying next-generation EVs to “to ensure they meet our criteria for profitability, given the new market reality.”
The company’s EV business, known as Model e, lost $4.7 billion last year, including $1.57 billion during the fourth quarter of 2023, offset by profits in the company’s fleet and traditional internal combustion engine units. Both businesses earned more than $7 billion each last year.
Lawler said Tuesday that the unit will have to stand on its own “sooner rather than later.”
He also said the company is pulling a target for its EV unit that called for 8% margin by 2026. The company had already set a target of two million vehicles sold annually by that time.
As Ford pulls back and reevaluates the EV business, it intends to lean in on sales of hybrid vehicles, specifically trucks. The company expects its hybrid sales to increase 40% this year. It sold 133,743 hybrid vehicles in the U.S. in 2023.
Summary: Ford's EV business unit lost almost $1.6 billion in Q4 and lost $4.7 billion in 2023.
Opinion: Ford continues to flounder in their EV business and blames it on the cost of EV's being too high compared to ICE vehicles. Meanwhile, the base price of a Mach E Mustang is within $500 of the base price of a Model Y (Mach E being cheaper). And this is current - the base model Y price used to be higher. Seems to me Ford is not making EV's that enough people want to buy, regardless of price.
DETROIT — Ford Motor is rethinking its electric vehicle strategies, including “reassessing” the need for vertical integration of batteries, CEO Jim Farley said Tuesday.
The Detroit automaker previously confirmed plans to delay or cut $12 billion in spending on all-electric vehicles, but the comments made Tuesday are the most detailed about Ford’s changing plans for EVs, sales of which are growing at a slower-than-expected rate.
“One of the things we’re taking advantage of in taking some timing delays is rationalizing the level and timing of our battery capacity to match demand and actually reassessing the vertical integration that we’re relying on, and betting on new chemistries and capacities,” Farley said during the automaker’s fourth-quarter earnings call.
Farley reiterated the company still believes EVs will grow, but noted widespread adoption for mass-market consumers won’t happen until the costs are more in line with traditional vehicles. EVs are typically thousands of dollars more expensive than their gas-powered counterparts.
Ford Chief Financial Officer John Lawler said in addition to reassessing the vertical integration in new battery chemistries, the company is further looking into adjusting installed production capacity to match demand and potentially delaying next-generation EVs to “to ensure they meet our criteria for profitability, given the new market reality.”
The company’s EV business, known as Model e, lost $4.7 billion last year, including $1.57 billion during the fourth quarter of 2023, offset by profits in the company’s fleet and traditional internal combustion engine units. Both businesses earned more than $7 billion each last year.
Lawler said Tuesday that the unit will have to stand on its own “sooner rather than later.”
He also said the company is pulling a target for its EV unit that called for 8% margin by 2026. The company had already set a target of two million vehicles sold annually by that time.
As Ford pulls back and reevaluates the EV business, it intends to lean in on sales of hybrid vehicles, specifically trucks. The company expects its hybrid sales to increase 40% this year. It sold 133,743 hybrid vehicles in the U.S. in 2023.
Just wondering because before you said all you see where you live are Teslas, but now there are tons of Taycans. Taycans are not all $250k either, they start at $90,000.
Constantly defending EVs to you is exhausting. Of course if Hertz is selling their EVs they’re going to cancel the ones they have on order. EVs don’t make great rental cars, it was an experiment that didn’t work out well.
Constantly defending EVs to you is exhausting. Of course if Hertz is selling their EVs they’re going to cancel the ones they have on order. EVs don’t make great rental cars, it was an experiment that didn’t work out well.

When I had the Polestar a year ago, I did return it relatively full, because there was a free charger at the hotel, and I went straight from there to the airport. But I didn't have to.














