This was the purchase agreement for my wife's 3 back in Dec 2018. I wish it was only $40K

But also, no sales tax on EVs in NJ is wonderful

 

You’re not alone, I think many of us were BEV skeptics back then. I know I wasn’t as interested in a BEV.

and not to one-up your self-admitted lunacy, but I actually had a Mirai back then and thought hydrogen might just be the better way forward 😂

 

I think the Mirai could've stood a chance if Toyota had tried to build out the hydrogen infrastructure in the same way Tesla built out superchargers.

 

Haha I would have flipped if saw their invoices! A year after I wrote that, I bought a 2018 Civic Si....$26k OTD. Paying $60k for a car like the Model 3 would have me asking people to have their heads examined. Interestingly enough, both friends still have their 2018 Model 3's

 

Gotta keep the color changing roof for as long as possible

 

Comparing a $100k Model S to less expensive cars isn’t fair, you have to compare it to similar caliber cars.

In any event, we are talking about hundreds of thousands of miles between failures. A battery pack every 300,000 miles should totally negate the fear of having to replace a battery.

Batteries are made by specific manufacturers and sold to OEMs. Toyota doesn’t make the batteries in a

You can’t do that now, but you will be able to do that down the line.

 

Eh, it may get up to 15%... maybe 20% eventually but that's it. And the majority of those will be Teslas which are high end cars, expensive nevertheless.

Again, go to the non high-end part of your town, go to a crappy part and count how many EVs you see. Most of us on here are seemingly affluent (I mean NOTHING by that) and don't live in that world where people just need a car to get their kids to school and go grocery shopping, they don't have Lexuses and Mercedes like we do. They ain't going EV anytime soon.

China isn't germane to this debate, at all, and who cares about them anyway other than to place blame on how badly they pollute. You're also so controlled over there it's illegal to have more than one child IIRC. China has nothing to do with this.

I would say both. It'll never get to 30% of registered cars, that's absurd. Trucks are overwhelmingly the #1 sellers in the United States and have been for decades, and, well... we see how the Lightning is working out. The EV truck that Motor Trend said would change cars/vehicles and was one of the most significant vehicles of all time, well.... it didn't really work out that way and that's putting it mildly.

Friend WADR, how many times must I tell you that the whole nation is not like California? I am genuinely glad your EVs work for you and you are satisfied and that your state has it so progressive. But it's just not like that everywhere, and I'm not being political or going down that road. Higher income people will keep buying EVs like crazy in California, that's a given. But go to Barstow or a crappy part of Bakersfield and count EVs.

I read you wrong a bit, but saying the owner should sign some agreement that the ICE should be destroyed is absolutely positively absurd, no offense. You did say that.

About cash for clunkers I didn't pay attention to it much because I was way younger and didn't really care but I did know tons of LS400s that were junked that just needed timing belts to have a perfectly good running car, before the UZ was interference. Belts would snap, people would think the car was blown.... replace timing belt and viola. There's your luxury car back lol.

 

Let me ask you this simple question...how many cars are sold in your state annually, and how many in California? I suspect we buy 10 times more, and that automakers tend to cater more to markets where they sell more cars.

I'm glad you have a crystal ball that sees the future and overrides actual data. I would really love to consult with it sometimes 🤣

 

A Model Y can be had for under $37K (after the tax credit) and the average price of a car sold in the US is over $47K now

 

You're saying EVs will peak at 20% never go higher do I have that right?

 

Well, I did pretty much call everything that's happened from the get go and what's happening right now.

All the virtue signaling I said was BS 5-7 years ago turned out to be just that!

I've lost count of how many auto makes are dropping or have scaled in some cases massively back, the whole 2030 or 2035 EV BS. I knew that would happen too.

Have you seen the rest of the United States? Do you travel?

 

Well respectfully, you really didn't. EV growth is continuing to grow upwards, not downwards. Hyundai just opened an EV factory Georgia, of all places! Time to get that crystal ball checked

I've been to many states in the US, and not trying to brag, we have the largest economy of all other states in the Union, no matter how imperfect we are

 

Yep, if that. New car registrations. The whole United States counts, not just the coasts. Also 20% of all cars on the road in general is absolutely ABSURD.

 

Want me to dig into my threads where I said all this would happen YEARS ago?? The slowdown in demand? And that Americans want them far less than people think. I'd be happy to.

Edit: You can't go back that far.

 

EVs will soon reach price parity with gas and will continue to drop in price. In 10 years it will be comical to buy a new gas car.