And one more thing @AJT123 , another challenge. People say PHEV's (which are replacing gasoline cars 100 percent) are "the best of both worlds", test drive a PHEV, something like a RAV4 or Prius PHEV, or any Toyota, or Honda PHEV back to back with any equivalent EV, such as Model 3, Model Y, Ioniq 5 etc and tell me which is better. This is nothing against PHEV's, I have no issues with them, but tell me which one you would rather own after test driving both. Because if BEV's end up going away like you want, then the only thing you will be left with eventually is PHEV's and hybrids, unless you're fine driving a 20 year old car.

Why am I giving you this challenge? Because I want to put my money where my mouth is. I say EV's are better, and the only way I can prove that to you is challenge you to drive one. If you are not interested in this challenge, then I can't take what you write seriously anymore. Just being up front and honest

 

This can be very subjective. What appeases to you from a driving experience may be differ from him.

Again, different strokes, different folks…I bought 2 hybrids (one PHEV) after renting a Model 3 twice one being a performance. Honestly I thought the performance was quick!! I test drove a Rav hybrid the very next day after returning the M3P and I placed a deposit on both RAV4 hybrid and Prime the following week. This was prior of me learning what a polestar is. Initially I would’ve thought you were referring to a bad a$$ stripper 🤣. Hadn’t heard of the Ioniq 5. Not sure if they were available (2023) but I was curious of Teslas which is why I rented them.

0-60 performance wasn’t a factor in my decision going hybrid/PHEV. I wanted something efficient with a few amenities. The Prime having a little more performance was an added bonus but I honestly hardly ever run in HV mode. The 2 models 3s I rented suffered from subpar quality (one had 1,800 miles) and I believe the final straw was at Disney world we had 4 suitcases, 2 in the trunk, 1 in the front trunk and 1 was in my friend’s truck bed because I had 3 backseat passengers and didn’t want to throw a suitcase on a kid’s lap. The following week is when I ordered the Ravs.

Some EVs are cool cars!! And I don’t believe they are going away especially when you have people not willing to pay $6/gallon.

 

My brother, I wasn't trying to put down phev's. I was just trying to make a point. You already know my position, I believe people should drive what works best for them

 

I 100% understand but just saying HE may not be keen on EVs even from a performance stand point and the EVs you mentioned may be the fastest thing he’s ever driven.

BTW, he should test drive a Model 3 performance. Even I was like “ok this car is quick!!” I can only imagine the performance of a Model S and a plaid.

Now that I know little more about EVs, I have a general interest in them which is why I watch/post the videos/articles on the different models. Just like I’ve been curious about the new Toyota Tundra V6 TT platform so I rented one for 5 days.

Doesn’t hurt to try an EV, he may change his stance or confirm what he believes. Put a blindfold on him, put him in a EV, pipe in some V8 noises and if his seat can vibrate to the tone of the fake V8 sound, he will buy it on the spot sight unseen🤣. Slight lift on the pedal to mimic gear changes

 

No, I totally get it, but the challenge to him still stands, and will remain open. And if he wants me to go out and test drive something I haven't driven he thinks will impress me, I'm game

 

Solar panels have finally started to trend positive...my EV's are now being fed fully by the sun

 

Going back to the orginonal challenge I made earlier in this thread, I want to extend it out to all critics of EV's that have never driven one. I stand by my statement 100 percent that not only will EV's not go away, but as people get behind the wheel through test drives and leases, they will sell themselves. Fancy marketing will only be needed to get people behind the wheel, the amazing next level driving experience will do the rest!

Let's put aside the fact that 0 to 80 any decent EV can easily compete with or even beat expensive sports cars, especially off the line. But for 90 percent of the population, they can care less about that. And I agree, that's not what's really important, with the right know how you can mod an inexpensive car to be fast. What is important is the smooth drivetrain that can't really be explained in words. No routine maint except maybe cabin filters and windshield wiper fluid. 100 plus MPGe (my Model Y gets 122, my Polestar 108, and our Ioniq 5 around 110). The fact that you can fuel it at home for a fraction of the cost of gasoline. And lastly that today's EV's are now super fast charging, so for people who live in states or areas where there is proper charging infrastructure, travelling is getting close to that of a gasoline cars.

So back to the challenge. Most of the EV critics I've met have never driven an EV, or in one. They all share the same Youtube videos, instagram posts, meme's, talking points and misinformation to reaffirm and reinforce their staunch positions. They have without a better term, shut their minds to progress. Like the people who didn't want to give up the horse and wagon when the automobile came out. "I need to hear the engine" kind of sounds like "I need to hear the farts and snorts of my horse" to me. Don't get me wrong, I love the sound of a high revving engine, but just not on my daily commute.

So my challenge to those critics is to not convince you to buy an EV, but to test drive an EV. A Model 3 or Y (or even S or X). Don't like Tesla's? OK, then there is the Ioniq 5, Ioniq 6, or Kia EV6. There are Polestars (Polestar 2,3, and 4 coming out soon). There is BMW iX, i4, i5, i7 eDrive M50, M60 etc. There's the Ford Mach-E, and of course, the much hated by some F-150 Lightning. Just going on your local dealerships webpage and filling out a form gets you a test drive. Take an hour out of your day. And afterwards if you tell me it's not a better driving experience than ICE, than at the very least I can no longer criticize you for being closed minded. Of course you would have to show me proof of your test drive. I've had people claim they drove a Tesla and described the shoddy quality, then finding their exact talking points in Google.

And the challenge goes both ways, but just be warned, I've driven a ton of cars, from 2010 to 2021 I used to travel quite a bit to our San Antonio TX office, I rented everything from Chargers to Cadillac CTS on my companies dime

 

 

I'll watch the video when I get a chance, but just some quick comments. I've driven the F-150 Lightning thanks for my friend @swajames and it's an awesome truck, at least from a comfort, driving dynamics and utilitarian aspect. I've never driven the Cyber Truck, but I did get to sit in one, and from the inside it's pretty awesome. Its also very roomy and utilitarian, but I don't think most buyers will use it for anything but "show", but I did see a plumber with his companies name and logo on it yesterday. From a purely looks perspective, the Lightning wins that contest for me

 

My co-worker who is out of town just texted this

 

As I mentioned in an earlier post I am traveling with my Plaid right now and want to give an update:

Well maybe a normal trip for EVs in PA for a single destination may be okay but for a hockey trip going back and forth between rinks is a disaster so far.

First off trip planning between going between two different rinks and the hotel didn’t seem like a big deal except that one of the superchargers I planned to use wasn’t even there but the app said it was there even though the nav said no superchargers nearby. Now i had to head back to the rink for a 9:15 game which means I won’t be out of here until around 10:30.

Right now I’m at under 10% charge and need to drive 17 miles to the nearest supercharger that I hope is actually there or else I’m screwed because I can’t make it much further once I get out there. To say I’m stressed is an understatement and I won’t get back to the hotel until late now.

 

Hopefully you made it fine. I thought Pa would be a lot like California when it comes to superchargers. There's never one more than 5 or 10 miles. Also I've never had the app take me to a supercharger that doesn't exist...in fact it tells me how many are available and will reroute if they start getting full

 

Crisis averted, so weird. The navigation directed me to a hotel parking lot but the superchargers were in a separate shopping center parking lot down the hill. The navigation took me to the wrong place and for whatever reason it didn’t show up again when I input it in my phone/nav as if it wasn’t there and directed me to one 17 miles away.

When I finally found it there were 10 teslas and only 7 chargers so three were waiting so I left and came back. Now the issue is I am sitting at a supercharger at 10:30 at night and to charge to 70% it says 40 minutes. Everyone is back at the hotel and I’m sitting in a f’ing car. This totally blows.

I think for regular trips it would be fine because you are picking one destination and going. For a hockey trip you have about 4-6 destinations in a day and planning that out on the trip planner doesn’t work that well because plans change pretty quickly between where we end up going between the different games/rinks.

 

how far apart are these rinks?

was this the tesla app or abrp or some other 3rd party app?

even if not tesla, is there no other charger you can use? have an adapter? maybe a tesla destination charger even if slow?

 

Rinks were 45 minutes apart.


I was using the Tesla app

There are a couple nearby but they are both 7 miles away and 13-16kw max per charger.

The Tesla one I am at is only 150kw max at 0.36 per kWh.