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The use the Mercedes as a "relatable control" type entry so there is something to compare the otherwise non/existent ultimate tier cars with.
All 12 cyl engines use two ECUs, they are treated as two engines and the car can run on one of them if needed. Mine can be told to flip back and forth between the two as a form of cylinder deactivation and part of the transmission service procedure involves only running the drivers side engine.
There are always two MAF/MAPs, 4 upstream 02 sensors, 4 downstream, and two sets of knock sensors etc....there are also two crank sensors and 4 cam sensors and the car can run with half of them dead as the ECUs can share data and cover for lost signals.
It's unlike anything else and I absolutely love how overkill it all is!
All 12 cyl engines use two ECUs, they are treated as two engines and the car can run on one of them if needed. Mine can be told to flip back and forth between the two as a form of cylinder deactivation and part of the transmission service procedure involves only running the drivers side engine.
There are always two MAF/MAPs, 4 upstream 02 sensors, 4 downstream, and two sets of knock sensors etc....there are also two crank sensors and 4 cam sensors and the car can run with half of them dead as the ECUs can share data and cover for lost signals.
It's unlike anything else and I absolutely love how overkill it all is!
One has to also consider that Germans were many years ahead in that the offers short wheel base and long wheelbase. I think MB was 10+ years ahead with the wheelbase. BMW had dual option wheelbase in the 1980s I believe. Mercedes also had 4matic many years earlier. In hindsight, I do give credit to Lexus for the 600hl. That was a good effort. With mechanical all wheel drive and hybrid V8. I give em that.
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I’ve said this before but...
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Tale a Maybach for instance, I would much rather have the regular body S Class. The interior fittings and such I would take.
But honestly I am completely happy with what I’m driving, there really isn’t any other car I would rather have. I’d rather my car had the exclusive Napa interior and the Burmester 3D audio…
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They don’t make any such type of vehicle anymore, and didn’t when I got my S560. I honestly don’t have any interest in a V12…
Tale a Maybach for instance, I would much rather have the regular body S Class. The interior fittings and such I would take.
But honestly I am completely happy with what I’m driving, there really isn’t any other car I would rather have. I’d rather my car had the exclusive Napa interior and the Burmester 3D audio…
Tale a Maybach for instance, I would much rather have the regular body S Class. The interior fittings and such I would take.
But honestly I am completely happy with what I’m driving, there really isn’t any other car I would rather have. I’d rather my car had the exclusive Napa interior and the Burmester 3D audio…
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I 100% would not. They're too sporty for me. I've never driven an S65 but I have driven an S63, no interest.
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In the W223 body there is again no S600, there is an S680 but that’s only in the Maybach.
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Doesn't feel like a monday for some reason, probably because I been working 7 days a week! Lol
See something fun, please post it up for us!
Saw some cool stuff but I leave my phone in the car when I'm shopping and missed some good ones lately because no pics!
See something fun, please post it up for us!
Saw some cool stuff but I leave my phone in the car when I'm shopping and missed some good ones lately because no pics!
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They don’t make any such type of vehicle anymore, and didn’t when I got my S560. I honestly don’t have any interest in a V12…
Tale a Maybach for instance, I would much rather have the regular body S Class. The interior fittings and such I would take.
But honestly I am completely happy with what I’m driving, there really isn’t any other car I would rather have. I’d rather my car had the exclusive Napa interior and the Burmester 3D audio…
Tale a Maybach for instance, I would much rather have the regular body S Class. The interior fittings and such I would take.
But honestly I am completely happy with what I’m driving, there really isn’t any other car I would rather have. I’d rather my car had the exclusive Napa interior and the Burmester 3D audio…
i'm sure you once never thought the twin turbo V8 was something you "needed" either, that the LS 460 was plenty of car as it is!
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this may just be like when squidward hated krabby patties... if you can drive an S600 and still genuinely say that no part of the experience coaxed or appealed to you at any point, then this convo can officially be put to bed lol
i'm sure you once never thought the twin turbo V8 was something you "needed" either, that the LS 460 was plenty of car as it is!
i'm sure you once never thought the twin turbo V8 was something you "needed" either, that the LS 460 was plenty of car as it is!
I didn't even consider an m550 because the 540i suits my purposes just fine and I didn't feel like taking on the hassle of a BMW V8. i have no doubt the car would have been a proper riot to drive.
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I mean sometimes it's a Goldilocks thing where the middle option is just right.
I didn't even consider an m550 because the 540i suits my purposes just fine and I didn't feel like taking on the hassle of a BMW V8. i have no doubt the car would have been a proper riot to drive.
I didn't even consider an m550 because the 540i suits my purposes just fine and I didn't feel like taking on the hassle of a BMW V8. i have no doubt the car would have been a proper riot to drive.
of course in real life i agree the S560 is about the most capable, balanced, all-round premier luxury car one can get without becoming excessive and impractical
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i've personally always been partial to the CL600 from this era, the V12 coupe is probably the most "move over peasant" car one can get haha
