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If they were good enough for my LS460s they're good enough for the S Class lol. Mercedes ships Pirellis as OEM too. About $200 cheaper than the Michelins, the price isn't the issue, its that I want soft riding quiet tires and the UHP Michelins have reputations for riding firm and being somewhat noisy, and the only Grand Touring option are the Primacy MXM4 I have which are expensive and not stellar.
My experience with tires has told me that there is no carte blanche "this brand is good, this brand is bad". All tire manufacturers have good tires and bad tires. These are the results from TireRack's test that swayed me:
These charts are very subjective. There are many factors when it comes to tires, but I had not so good experiences with many brands of tires. I had a Dunlop tire that almost killed me when it exploded on the highway, I had a set of Goodyear tires where one of them had to be sent back because it was out of round. And another set of Goodyears that were recalled because thread was ripping. Lost the lottery with Pirellis twice on my wifes cars, and they never tracked right and dry rotted.
With Michelins I had nothing but great experiences, whether they were winter, summer or all seasons. I'll always stick with them as long as they are available in the size required. Just did the PSS on my daughters car, doing PS4 on my wifes car, and doing Michelin Commander III on my small bike.
They're objective tests done by professional tire testers lol.
There are many factors when it comes to tires, but I had not so good experiences with many brands of tires. I had a Dunlop tire that almost killed me when it exploded on the highway, I had a set of Goodyear tires where one of them had to be sent back because it was out of round. Lost the lottery with Pirellis twice on my wifes cars, and they never tracked right and dry rotted.
I had a blowout with a Michelin tire on the highway one time. That doesn't mean all Michelin tires are bad, I promise you Michelins have blowouts. And one out of round Goodyear doesn't make all Goodyears bad.
I had great experiences with the Pirelli Cinturato P7 Plus on my LS460s.
I have only had a couple sets of Michelins I really thought were great tires, the rest were ho-hum. The Primacy MXM4 I had OEM on my GS and I have on the S560 are okay, nothing special, traction in the rain and snow is quite poor. Premier A/S I put on the ES300 were significantly louder than the Pirelli P7 Plus that were on it before. I liked the old Primacy MXV4 I had on my ES350. The LTX M/S I had on my Explorer and my Grand Cherokee were great. Lattitude Tour that came on one of my Grand Cherokees were terrible.
Nothing AGAINST Michelins, I just think they are overrated as a brand. If I truly thought a Michelin was the best tire in a segment I would buy them, but I see no need to pay more for Michelins in the face of review results simply because they are Michelins.
Pulled the trigger on new tires for the S560 today...should have them mounted Monday.
Nice, good price too. Let us know how they do, can your car fit 275s up front for a square setup?
I really dislike the MXM4s, they lasted 2 days on my 460 despite being nearly new. I replaced them with the PSAS4s since I wanted more aggressive handing and response, the snow performance being much higher than all rivals was also a deciding factor.
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I just wouldn't put them on the S class, but if they work for you, the price seems like a bargain.
The front PS4s for my wife's car came in today, rears are coming in tomm. I'm taking the car to the wheel shop in the morning, will have all four rims refinished while they are at it - she has curbed all of them really bad. Wonder how long she can keep them clean this time.
My wife nicked a rim on the 430, we are talking like 1-1.5 inches and she freaked out that I would be pissed. Ordered and swapped rims before even telling me!
My wife nicked a rim on the 430, we are talking like 1-1.5 inches and she freaked out that I would be pissed. Ordered and swapped rims before even telling me!
My wife is horrible at curbing rims, i'll take some before photos tomorrow and after photos after the repair.
Nice, good price too. Let us know how they do, can your car fit 275s up front for a square setup?
I really dislike the MXM4s, they lasted 2 days on my 460 despite being nearly new. I replaced them with the PSAS4s since I wanted more aggressive handing and response, the snow performance being much higher than all rivals was also a deciding factor.
No, can’t put 275s up front. Some people have put the 245s in the rear with spacers, would have a lot of tire options that way but that would impact the handling.
For instance, I’ll fill up the GS and it will show (making up the numbers) 235 miles to empty. Then, I’ll go on the highway and drive 200 miles and now it will show a number other than 35. How does it account for highway and local driving? Or does it?
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For instance, I’ll fill up the GS and it will show (making up the numbers) 235 miles to empty. Then, I’ll go on the highway and drive 200 miles and now it will show a number other than 35. How does it account for highway and local driving? Or does it?
It uses the average fuel economy multiplied by the number of gallons in the tank. So when you get on the highway your average fuel economy goes up so the range goes up.
For instance, I will fill up before a long road trip and the range will be like 390 miles. Then after 5 hours of highway driving I will fill up again and the range will be 570 miles, because the average economy its using is higher because of the lengthily highway use.
It uses the average fuel economy multiplied by the number of gallons in the tank. So when you get on the highway your average fuel economy goes up so the range goes up.
For instance, I will fill up before a long road trip and the range will be like 390 miles. Then after 5 hours of highway driving I will fill up again and the range will be 570 miles, because the average economy its using is higher because of the lengthily highway use.
IDK how cars are now, probably more precise than now with digital. But in my LS430 the gauge, forget the DTE, once it drops a tad below the "E" get your azz to a gas station quick. Drive it with the light on down to E, fine. But once it dips under it's really time to get gas.
I broke this indicator in the Q7 last weekend. We had our two best mpg tanks ever (24.8 followed by 25.4, hand-calculated), and after the second fillup, the miles to empty went to exactly 600, and stayed there. It wasn't until I had driven 39 miles that it dropped to 595, after which it seemed to work somewhat normally. So apparently the upper bound for a 4M Q7 is 600 miles to empty.
IDK how cars are now, probably more precise than now with digital. But in my LS430 the gauge, forget the DTE, once it drops a tad below the "E" get your azz to a gas station quick. Drive it with the light on down to E, fine. But once it dips under it's really time to get gas.
Agreed. I figure the light comes on about with 2-3 gallons left in the tank. So I start looking for a gas station in the next 5-10 miles, even though my wife would rather have me cut across three lanes of traffic to get off at the next exit. lol
It uses the average fuel economy multiplied by the number of gallons in the tank. So when you get on the highway your average fuel economy goes up so the range goes up.
For instance, I will fill up before a long road trip and the range will be like 390 miles. Then after 5 hours of highway driving I will fill up again and the range will be 570 miles, because the average economy its using is higher because of the lengthily highway use.
Yeah, I figured as much. So, it's kinda useless if you do a lot of local and highway driving. It works if you keep things constant.
We had our two best mpg tanks ever (24.8 followed by 25.4, hand-calculated), and after the second fillup, the miles to empty went to exactly 600, and stayed there. It wasn't until I had driven 39 miles that it dropped to 595, after which it seemed to work somewhat normally. So apparently the upper bound for a 4M Q7 is 600 miles to empty.