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Laminated glass really makes a difference. You can barely tell it's there even when you feel with your finger, I always assumed all soundproof glass would be W140 carbon copy...I was wrong.
In other car news, we actually used the tailgate today at the park at the lake (boat still not here). Pulled under a tree in the shade and sat there, enjoying ourselves. It is really, really stupid they axed it on the new one....what we were doing today with the tailgate is what you can't do in any similar SUV to my knowledge. My spouse who knows nothing about cars was like "this is so nice." You've got ML speakers above you and a regular cord outlet right there. The tailgate held both of us just fine, I remember wondering if there was a weight limit, but I figured it would be robust. Perfect for camping, if gas wasn't $5-$7 we would already be headed out west to Moab to do just that, and off road.
In other car news, we actually used the tailgate today at the park at the lake (boat still not here). Pulled under a tree in the shade and sat there, enjoying ourselves. It is really, really stupid they axed it on the new one....what we were doing today with the tailgate is what you can't do in any similar SUV to my knowledge. My spouse who knows nothing about cars was like "this is so nice." You've got ML speakers above you and a regular cord outlet right there. The tailgate held both of us just fine, I remember wondering if there was a weight limit, but I figured it would be robust. Perfect for camping, if gas wasn't $5-$7 we would already be headed out west to Moab to do just that, and off road.
Btw, looking forward to your boat review when you get it, I saw your thread on that and waiting till you update.
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Got great speakers above you and the sub is also in the rear. Why did they ax the tailgate in the new 300????? Like I said it was also perfectly comfortable to sit on the tailgate and enjoy the day with no chairs. Take my Yukon for example, you just can't do that.
Still waiting on our boat, and trust me I'll have a veryyyy detailed review and pics and videos. It's been in shipping for a month so it should be any day now, hoping to get out there by July 4. Luckily the supply shortage didn't affect anything, but it is late. We got into our favorite dock literally 6 minutes from home and into dry storage (I'm eating the rent until it arrives), total win.
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Very practical, much quieter than normal glass but there are three major drawbacks....they can delaminate and are very hard to break if you need to get out and cost more.
Modern laminates are much stronger and much more resistant to UV and chemicals, they do not delaminate. Older laminated would start delaminating around the edges and turning white from the UV and elements, but today its not much of a concern. To be safe, on laminated glass with exposed edges make sure to wipe the edges after washing the car with harsh chemicals.
That being said, I have a controversial but interesting question - should laminated glass and other types of excessive sound deadening even be legal on cars? For instance, at least here in NY, it is illegal to drive or ride bicycles and motorcycles with headphones on as it makes the vehicle operator distracted, not able to hear emergency vehicles, and generally oblivious to traffic sounds. With all the distractions in modern cars, loud sounds systems, and increasingly stupid driver behavior, these types of excessive sound deadening only make matters worse.
That being said, I have a controversial but interesting question - should laminated glass and other types of excessive sound deadening even be legal on cars? For instance, at least here in NY, it is illegal to drive or ride bicycles and motorcycles with headphones on as it makes the vehicle operator distracted, not able to hear emergency vehicles, and generally oblivious to traffic sounds. With all the distractions in modern cars, loud sounds systems, and increasingly stupid driver behavior, these types of excessive sound deadening only make matters worse.
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That being said, I have a controversial but interesting question - should laminated glass and other types of excessive sound deadening even be legal on cars? For instance, at least here in NY, it is illegal to drive or ride bicycles and motorcycles with headphones on as it makes the vehicle operator distracted, not able to hear emergency vehicles, and generally oblivious to traffic sounds. With all the distractions in modern cars, loud sounds systems, and increasingly stupid driver behavior, these types of excessive sound deadening only make matters worse.
That being said, I have a controversial but interesting question - should laminated glass and other types of excessive sound deadening even be legal on cars? For instance, at least here in NY, it is illegal to drive or ride bicycles and motorcycles with headphones on as it makes the vehicle operator distracted, not able to hear emergency vehicles, and generally oblivious to traffic sounds. With all the distractions in modern cars, loud sounds systems, and increasingly stupid driver behavior, these types of excessive sound deadening only make matters worse.
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The old Mercedes style like you saw on the W140 S Class delaminated for sure, but modern glass no.
As someone who drives one of the quietest cars ever made, and has driven cars that meet that qualification for a long time, thats ridiculous. The quietness of the car in no way reduces your ability to hear what is going on around you. You hear horns, sirens, the sound that they engineer out of a car are consistent droning type sounds, like wind noise and road noise and engine noise.
There is a limit to how quiet they will make a car, for safety reasons and for comfort reasons. If a car is too quiet is actually can make you sick.
That being said, I have a controversial but interesting question - should laminated glass and other types of excessive sound deadening even be legal on cars? For instance, at least here in NY, it is illegal to drive or ride bicycles and motorcycles with headphones on as it makes the vehicle operator distracted, not able to hear emergency vehicles, and generally oblivious to traffic sounds. With all the distractions in modern cars, loud sounds systems, and increasingly stupid driver behavior, these types of excessive sound deadening only make matters worse.
There is a limit to how quiet they will make a car, for safety reasons and for comfort reasons. If a car is too quiet is actually can make you sick.
As someone who drives one of the quietest cars ever made, and has driven cars that meet that qualification for a long time, thats ridiculous. The quietness of the car in no way reduces your ability to hear what is going on around you. You hear horns, sirens, the sound that they engineer out of a car are consistent droning type sounds, like wind noise and road noise and engine noise.
There is a limit to how quiet they will make a car, for safety reasons and for comfort reasons. If a car is too quiet is actually can make you sick.
There is a limit to how quiet they will make a car, for safety reasons and for comfort reasons. If a car is too quiet is actually can make you sick.
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Laminated glass is designed to block sounds out without discretion, obviously they will never make regular cars completely soundproof, but sound deadening certainly contributes somewhat to today's oblivious driver behavior, much like the rest of the distracting tech and poor visibility out of modern cars. No doubt it is a much lesser concern vs 1000w+ audio systems, phones, and giant infotainment screens.
It only applies to laminated glass where the edges are exposed, so when you spray the cleaner it overflows onto the edge and gets absorbed into the laminate and slowly etches into it.
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Its possible, the cleaner overflows from the surface over the edge, and dries on it if you dont wipe it off, or if its a glass that is set in a frame, and the chemical drips down and stays inside the frame pockets, etching away at the laminate. Either way, modern laminates are a lot more resistant to chemicals vs the old stuff, you're unlikely to damage it with household chemicals. More of a concern for industrial types of cleaners.
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