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Old Dec 4, 2021 | 01:41 PM
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The Model S in regular trim is a decent $80k car. The Plaid at $140k is simply a toy for rich people that want obscene speed. I don't really consider Tesla a luxury brand. Mercedes is top of the food chain in luxury.
Model S starts at $95k, not $80k.
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I feel that Mercedes didn't really hit a home run from an EV perspective. Yes its a nice car but in that price range, all Mercedes are extremely nice cars. As an EV, it has good range (but not class leading), its fast enough (again, nowhere near class leading), and its decently efficient (good aero but heavy) but charging is slow (kinda last in its class). Also, it should be able to outrun a lowly Model 3 in the 580 trim but it can't.

A decent effort for a first try.
They did a good job making a comfortable and safe EV for traditional MB buyers. It has an acceptable amount of range, best interior in its class, and is fast enough while leaving room for an AMG variant if they so choose. One thing I did like was that you could adjust the amount of regen with the paddle shifters. Don't think I would use that very often, but it was a nice touch.
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Model S is definitely a huge step up in comfort and interior over the Model 3, but I would describe both cars (especially the model 3) as having a simple, practical design, both in and out. A model 3's interior is a bit simple in terms of comfort for me, but I could definitely live with it as a daily. But since there are other alternatives coming to market that focus on comfort, I took a wait and see approach, hopefully it will pay off
The Model 3 is a much better driver's car than the Model S. It chassis and overall dynamics are much more in-line with the 3 series. The Model S isn't a good car to compare to the EQS...its more of an M5 fighter. The EQS is a great car overall because its classic Mercedes luxury with a strong EV powertrain...too bad its not a beauty queen though. Maybe next gen...
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Haha yeah, a looker she is not.

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Old Dec 4, 2021 | 01:49 PM
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Teslas are pretty ugly too.
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Old Dec 4, 2021 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Allen K
They did a good job making a comfortable and safe EV for traditional MB buyers. It has an acceptable amount of range, best interior in its class, and is fast enough while leaving room for an AMG variant if they so choose. One thing I did like was that you could adjust the amount of regen with the paddle shifters. Don't think I would use that very often, but it was a nice touch.
I have those on our Ioniq EV. When I first saw them I asked the sales guy why an EV would need Paddle shifters, and he told me they were for adjusting the regen braking
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Old Dec 4, 2021 | 01:51 PM
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Model S starts at $95k, not $80k.
Yeah...just saw the new price. You could pre-order the LR Model S last year for $80k. That price creep is eye opening. Keep in mind that Model S LR still does the quarter mile in 10.9s range which is Taycan turbo S territory so $95k for a sports sedan that can compete with a $180k Turbo S is still a decent price.

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^They've probably also priced in some of the expected EV tax credits
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Old Dec 4, 2021 | 01:55 PM
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They did a good job making a comfortable and safe EV for traditional MB buyers.
Unfortunately the design isn't something that will sit with "traditional MB buyers" at all, which defeats the entire purpose.

Said this before, but the new S-Class should have came with an EV variant and the hyperscreen. Even if the range is worse, that won't matter to any existing S-Class buyer because they want their S-Class to look like an S-Class.
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Old Dec 4, 2021 | 01:55 PM
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Haha yeah, a looker she is not.

I know looks are subjective, but I don't think it looks bad. With no engine and intrusive drivetrain, they can tweak the aerodynamics more. The best car designs for me were the mid and late 90's, but alas, safety...
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Old Dec 4, 2021 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
Owning one for a year, they are actually great as daily drivers. They are relaxing to drive, and low maintenance. This is especially true if you have a short commute. Short commutes put more wear on ice. Because my commute is short and no highway, my mpg sucks on my IS350. This is where EV shines
We had one too and to be fair the gas mileage sucked on it. My LS430 with the V8 gets about the same city/slight highway mileage as that IS350 did. But it was fun.

I forget sometimes that I only buy used cars. Lots of others out there that like to save a buck and buy used like me or just bypass a $100,000 depreciating asset anyway. A used EV would be out of the question, absolutely. I'd buy a used Range Rover over a used EV, that's saying quite a bit.
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Old Dec 4, 2021 | 02:28 PM
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Where the EQS got it right on exterior is that it gets the controversy of styling down whereas some like/love it and some really really hate it.
Overwhelmingly the response to the styling I have seen is negative.

I don't see what is "right" about styling a car in a way that some people really hate it. Whats wrong with styling that is universally attractive?
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Old Dec 4, 2021 | 02:29 PM
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Teslas are pretty ugly too.
The Model S isn't, its gorgeous. The rest of them are ugly.
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Old Dec 4, 2021 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
The Model S isn't, its gorgeous. The rest of them are ugly.
Model 3 isn't ugly. Just isn't great looking. EQS is kinda ugly but not really that bad

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Old Dec 4, 2021 | 03:14 PM
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We had one too and to be fair the gas mileage sucked on it. My LS430 with the V8 gets about the same city/slight highway mileage as that IS350 did. But it was fun.

I forget sometimes that I only buy used cars. Lots of others out there that like to save a buck and buy used like me or just bypass a $100,000 depreciating asset anyway. A used EV would be out of the question, absolutely. I'd buy a used Range Rover over a used EV, that's saying quite a bit.
I pretty much buy used for myself, as Toyota/Lexus are highly reliable and have timeless design IMO. But if I was dipping my foot in the EV world for the first time, I would lease. Leasing an EV is a short term commitment, and you would find depending on what you are leasing, the terms etc that you would be at or near breaking even with a paid off ice that's mostly parked. The advantages of owning an EV of course vary from state to state, as in California you get an additional $2,800 back from the state and local utilities. I'm not saying this works for you, but if you live where I live a $50k EV has a huge cost savings over a $50k ice vehicle
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