Mercedes EQS flagship
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I think they went OTT for the '20 upgrade. It's sharp but not beautiful. It's way better looking and more bossy than that Mercedes EV though.
I think the '13-'19 LX models are beautiful, yes. The rims on the '16 upgrade are the baddest *** Lexus rims I've ever seen, I think.
I think the '13-'19 LX models are beautiful, yes. The rims on the '16 upgrade are the baddest *** Lexus rims I've ever seen, I think.
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I think they went OTT for the '20 upgrade. It's sharp but not beautiful. It's way better looking and more bossy than that Mercedes EV though.
I think the '13-'19 LX models are beautiful, yes. The rims on the '16 upgrade are the baddest *** Lexus rims I've ever seen, I think.
I think the '13-'19 LX models are beautiful, yes. The rims on the '16 upgrade are the baddest *** Lexus rims I've ever seen, I think.
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Yes. I F'n love the new LX.
In all this disaster of a car world we are being forced into these days we have a true BOF, rugged, tough SUV that hasn't deviated from its original formula.
That counts for A LOT these days. Lexus has been doing several, several things very right lately if you ask me. The LX has been out since 1995, and it's about to be 2022. That's enough for legit heritage.
In all this disaster of a car world we are being forced into these days we have a true BOF, rugged, tough SUV that hasn't deviated from its original formula.
That counts for A LOT these days. Lexus has been doing several, several things very right lately if you ask me. The LX has been out since 1995, and it's about to be 2022. That's enough for legit heritage.
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Elevation changes do have an impact though, he has several long highway grades he climbs every day, he's discussed it in his videos before.
Even 350 miles of range though is very workable, I could integrate that into my life no problem, I would just take the Pacifica to WV.
Even 350 miles of range though is very workable, I could integrate that into my life no problem, I would just take the Pacifica to WV.
I doubt climbing hills could reduce much range for the EQS because it already has a boatload of torque that it can tap into instantaneously with no transmission necessary. Not to mention that it recuperates that bit of energy going downhill. Having the heat on in an hours-long drive in an EV that does not have a heat pump would take far more of a toll on the range than any hill climb.
350 miles is fine for most people but goes to show how overblown the original WLTP estimates were.
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I drove an EQS yesterday at a test drive event they were doing in the Philly burbs. It's a very nice car! Silent as a tomb, felt high quality (minus super plasticky steering wheel stalks) and accelerated briskly. I drove the 450 and the 580 and neither pulled as hard as my 3P, but I would be happy with either. Passenger amenities in the front and rear were really nice too. If I didn't have the Rivian pre-ordered, I'd consider one to replace my 3 over the Model S. It is ugly though on the outside though
Plus I got a free of hat
Plus I got a free of hat
A decent effort for a first try.
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I feel that Mercedes didn't really hit a home run from an EV perspective. Yes its a nice car but in that price range, all Mercedes are extremely nice cars. As an EV, it has good range (but not class leading), its fast enough (again, nowhere near class leading), and its decently efficient (good aero but heavy) but charging is slow (kinda last in its class). Also, it should be able to outrun a lowly Model 3 in the 580 trim but it can't.
A decent effort for a first try.
A decent effort for a first try.
I'm not an EV fan but I think they absolutely nailed this other than it looking hideous.
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Originally Posted by AJT123
It's a Mercedes Benz. That's all that's going to matter to many prospective customers. I wouldn't care that a Tesla is faster, it's not even remotely in the same league as this.
I'm not an EV fan but I think they absolutely nailed this other than it looking hideous.
I'm not an EV fan but I think they absolutely nailed this other than it looking hideous.
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Yeah. That is my point. It will sell because it's a Merc and is very nice. You can also say the same thing about Tesla owners not caring absolutely the EQS as it's a poor sports sedan. Not remotely in the same league in terms of performance (AMG or not). Not really competitors.
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I think the EQS is superior to the Tesla S alternative in almost every single way. Aside from some aspects like the 60mph stuff as well as some battery efficiencies, a Tesla comes nowhere close in interior design, features, materials as well build quality, options and much much more. I think the Tesla S interior is very nice but this EQS takes it to a whole next level, the back seat room in the EQS and the rear cargo space are very well designed. Tesla heavily cost cut the new S interior as you see it in places like fixed shoulder belts which were once adjustable, as well the door lights which are gone As for exterior styling, haven't seen the new EQS in person, I do like the Tesla S but the design is getting quite old (almost a decade old).
Where the EQS got it right on exterior is that it gets the controversy of styling down whereas some like/love it and some really really hate it.
Where the EQS got it right on exterior is that it gets the controversy of styling down whereas some like/love it and some really really hate it.
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When I drove through Rocky Mountain Park or at otherwise high elevation in Colorado about 10 years ago it sucked out noticeable power from my Acura TL that had no torque in the first place.
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Originally Posted by AJT123
True. But EQS isn't a dog either acceleration wise.
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Well, it provides it. The acceleration clips are absolutely insane. Maybe if I were filthy filthy rich I'd consider a toy like that. But never an EV as a DD.
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Model S is definitely a huge step up in comfort and interior over the Model 3, but I would describe both cars (especially the model 3) as having a simple, practical design, both in and out. A model 3's interior is a bit simple in terms of comfort for me, but I could definitely live with it as a daily. But since there are other alternatives coming to market that focus on comfort, I took a wait and see approach, hopefully it will pay off
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Owning one for a year, they are actually great as daily drivers. They are relaxing to drive, and low maintenance. This is especially true if you have a short commute. Short commutes put more wear on ice. Because my commute is short and no highway, my mpg sucks on my IS350. This is where EV shines