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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by yardie876
These real life pics aren't too flattering. It looks pudgy.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bok1XATn...=16ex537ok4szc
Definitely agree. The Luxury Line 3 Series G20 is ugly as hell. I do think the M Sport is pretty attractive.
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Definitely agree. The Luxury Line 3 Series G20 is ugly as hell. I do think the M Sport is pretty attractive.
I disagree- look at the base trim F30 and E90 when they came out.
The new one looks OK, the LCI will be better.
The car shows much better on video than on pics, look at the one I posted.

Besides the interior, tech, suspension, engines are all major improvements.
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Old Oct 7, 2018 | 01:20 PM
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I disagree- look at the base trim F30 and E90 when they came out.
The new one looks OK, the LCI will be better.
The car shows much better on video than on pics, look at the one I posted.

Besides the interior, tech, suspension, engines are all major improvements.
Thats like at least 3 MYs out.

Pretty good showing on Bimmers part, its like the merc lineup, everyones got the same face, similar tech, and every tier buyer has something good to look forward too. For me personally, this is the same comment I had for the new lineup thus far, everything is evolutionary rather then revolutionary. Nothing stunning.

Usually BMW usually incorporates last gen high tier options as standard or less costly; I assume, that since they usually did Halogens std/HID/LED optional I assume HID will be standard and LEDs/lasers optional.

I dont know if this is the case with US spec cars, but apparently in some Euro 1st drives Comfort Access aka keyless go is an option....in 2019....WTF. #BMWUltimateWalletDrainingMachine

I am really interested in learning more about the suspension setup, it seems groundbreaking from the marketing material, a shock in a shock?
"We're using the lift-related dampers as an active set-up element so as to create supreme driving properties in all conditions. With short spring travel, a sensitive damping response ensures comfortable vibration compensation. When the car passes over large bumps, the body movements are controlled by increased damping forces."
Peter Langen, Head of Driving Dynamics
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Old Oct 7, 2018 | 08:19 PM
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Looking good....a safe design with a modern touch.
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Old Oct 8, 2018 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by yardie876
These real life pics aren't too flattering. It looks pudgy.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bok1XATn...=16ex537ok4szc
sure looks lexus like in that shot.
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Old Oct 8, 2018 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
sure looks lexus like in that shot.
.........You mean a Lexus that just backed into something LOL.

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Old Oct 9, 2018 | 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by pman6
Looks good enough.
It's funny how bmw is doing a lot of stuff lexus used to do.
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Lexus is a dinosaur with an unchanged GS model for 5 years, with the exception of safety enhancements becoming standard. The ES350 FSport is not a challenger to BMW in any way.

BMW seems to have taken serious notice of Kia Stinger. We officially have a Euro vs Korean dance in play. Competing in this sport segment has many buyers with fickle tastes and eagerness for the next hot thing to drive. It's not an easy market and I'm sure Lexus would rather focus on their gravy makers in SUV's and luxury niche cars, and keep the IS/RC series rolling.
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Unfortunately new 3 series will now be built in Mexico for the North American market......
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
Unfortunately new 3 series will now be built in Mexico for the North American market......
Soo does this mean no Euro Delivery or is ED allocation coming out of the Munich?
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Originally Posted by coolsaber
Soo does this mean no Euro Delivery or is ED allocation coming out of the Munich?
Not sure how that will work.
You can do the Performance Center Delivery in South Carolina. I did this on my M3.....Obviously Euro Delivery is much better.

For me, saying ye my Bimmer is made in Mexico is just weird.....im sure 99% of buyers will not know or care though lol.

As an aside - our Legacy was made in Indiana and it is solid with great build quality. Currently have about 25k miles, no issues - not even a rattle.
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Old Oct 9, 2018 | 01:28 PM
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Unfortunately new 3 series will now be built in Mexico for the North American market......
Ugh
Guess I’ll be waiting until the second (or third) model year if I decide to pull the trigger on one of these. 1st year gremlins are almost guaranteed.
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Old Oct 9, 2018 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by swajames
Interested to see the dimensions on this, as the 3 has been growing to the point where it's broadly within spitting distance of a 5 Series from a generation or two back. I'd bet the G20 is about the same size as the E60 5 Series I used to own.

As for the G20 design - I like it. Thanks for posting this.
I was looking at the 335i before I bought my IS. The 3 & 5 series are almost identical. The big difference is the trunk size. Interior-wise, they were the same size.
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Old Oct 10, 2018 | 10:29 AM
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Klaus Fröhlich wants the G20 to beat everything else




During the past few years, BMW's recent model generations have received a bit of flak for their electric power steering feel. Both journalists and enthusiasts alike have bemoaned the change in handling and feel, and in turn have elevated older cars such as the E46 to near-hero status while disparaging the F30 3 Series. It's never good for a manufacturer when a new model's introduction suddenly puts an older generation in a more favorable light, and this seems to grind the gears of BMW development boss Klaus Fröhlich. Or at least that's what Fröhlich said to the Australian outlet Motoring, in a surprisingly candid interview.

"[The G20] has to beat everybody in the segment in driving dynamics because all the Australian, UK and American journalists say, 'Ooh, the E46 CSL was the last real 3 Series.' I don't want to hear that ****** anymore," said Fröhlich, according to Motoring. The E46 generation M3 CSL was a limited-edition lightweight version of the M3, with more power and less soundproofing, among other changes.

Fröhlich underlined the improvements made to the G20 to make it more solid-feeling than the preceding F30, to improve the perceived quality both via materials and structure. The G20 utilizes BMW's new CLAR modular architecture, which Fröhlich says has numerous benefits thanks to increased stiffness. He compares the new 3 Series' comfort to a 5 Series, saying: "The cluster architecture is so, so stiff. For example, a 50 percent stiffness increase between front axle and bulkhead, 30 percent overall. You do not only feel it in driving, you feel it in ride comfort." The G20 is about 120 pounds lighter than its predecessor, despite growing in size. It has a lower center of gravity, the track is wider, and it has new passive dampers — dynamically, there are several key improvements over the F30.

Fröhlich also stated that the 3 Series is still a core BMW product, saying, "It is what the brand is standing for. [...] Commercially the 5 Series, I think, is a bigger contributor, but from the heart of the brand the 3 Series is still the most important car. It is the right mixture of having the character and having the volume." For Fröhlich, the 3 Series must stand as the halo car for BMW, instead of a limited-edition racing model. "You can have a super-sharp brand shaper, very race-equipped, but it will only sell some thousand units, it will not affect the brand."
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Old Oct 10, 2018 | 10:52 AM
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love the passion by this guy frohlich. sounds like the new 3 series is a really impressive piece of engineering.
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Originally Posted by EvilJoker
I was looking at the 335i before I bought my IS. The 3 & 5 series are almost identical. The big difference is the trunk size. Interior-wise, they were the same size.
I guess that isn't all that different from the IS and GS. Interior size difference, from my impressions was mostly down to the rear seats and a slight, but noticeable, increase in width. Not a huge difference.
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