BMW G20 3 Series
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Originally Posted by BoDarville
by handling feel do you really mean steering wheel feedback? because that seems to be what previous f30 autorag complaints focused on, and what they seem to praise vehicles like the mazda6 and fiesta st for. is handling feel the pinnacle for driving enthusiasts? more than, say, the actual handling? i guess it would be nice to have both, but if i had to choose, i would prefer to drive a car with numb steering that can make nearly a 90 degree turn at 30 mph under control than i would a car with excellent steering feedback that keeps telling me the front end is pushing hard across opposing lanes of traffic and into the corner drugstore
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as mentioned by someone else, wow, what a less than stellar review. And $58.7k for a 4 cyl hahahahahahahahahahaha
I thought the steering was back, apparently it is not. Well, I'll still do the autocross, why not? My hunch is they would use rwd 340s not awd 330s.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
I thought the steering was back, apparently it is not. Well, I'll still do the autocross, why not? My hunch is they would use rwd 340s not awd 330s.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
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It's interesting to me that the most consistent criticism I read on the F30 is the steering feel yet Fröhlich doesn't mention it here. He discusses center of gravity, new dampers, structural rigidity, etc. I really haven't been reading of complaints in those areas on the F30. Perhaps I'm just not informed enough, but I'd like to hear about what they are doing to bring back the precise steering, as I assume they are tweaking the EPS.
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According to the article, the 3-series had the M-sport package, and came with Summer-only tires (Bridgestone Turanza T005), while the Altima was on all-seasons (Hankook Kinergy GT). Better tires would likely show improvements on both cars, but as it stands, a well-balanced RWD "driver's car" with a sport suspension and summer-only tires should have more dry cornering grip than a family sedan running all-seasons, period. If they just put P4S on the G20 and re-did the test, maybe it would get closer to the Altima's numbers. But I would bet that if both cars were on the same tire, the Altima would still be ahead, perhaps even more than it was in this test.
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yeah, see, except it doesn't compare. it's shorter wheelbase makes it feel more tossable, but when pushed to the limits it pushes wide and understeers, likely due in part to its weight but also it's cheaper to make macpherson struts. it doesn't get the double wishbone suspension that even it's older brother G80 gets. reviews of both the stinger & the G70 mention the understeer and also speak of random tail waggle in corners (i.e. loss of driver confidence). it certainly can't be attributed to the tires they put on the G70. although it's sales have been in steady decline for the last several years, more buyers are still choosing the IS over the G70.
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Originally Posted by BoDarville
yeah, see, except it doesn't compare. it's shorter wheelbase makes it feel more tossable, but when pushed to the limits it pushes wide and understeers, likely due in part to its weight but also it's cheaper to make macpherson struts. it doesn't get the double wishbone suspension that even it's older brother G80 gets. reviews of both the stinger & the G70 mention the understeer and also speak of random tail waggle in corners (i.e. loss of driver confidence). it certainly can't be attributed to the tires they put on the G70. although it's sales have been in steady decline for the last several years, more buyers are still choosing the IS over the G70.
I have no doubt the 340 will outperform the G70 but the G70 is almost as good at 70% of the price.
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I doubt this info is accurate about 330i vs Altima.
I‘m not a fan of the G20 styling- side looks like Infinit Q50 and rear looks like Lexus IS.
Interior seems very nice though.
The new M340i will have rediculuous performance with 0-60 in under 4sec.
I‘m not a fan of the G20 styling- side looks like Infinit Q50 and rear looks like Lexus IS.
Interior seems very nice though.
The new M340i will have rediculuous performance with 0-60 in under 4sec.
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We sat in the new 3 today at BMW. The new 3 is the better luxury car. It’s worth paying for over all others. The G70 is good, but seems like it was built for designs that were 10 years ago. There is something special about BMW. Genesis, I don’t think so.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
We sat in the new 3 today at BMW. The new 3 is the better luxury car. It’s worth paying for over all others. The G70 is good, but seems like it was built for designs that were 10 years ago. There is something special about BMW. Genesis, I don’t think so.
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Seeing the pictures of the interior didn't exactly whet my appetite, either.
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Originally Posted by AJT123
Car and Driver slammed this new 3's interior pretty badly, though. Saying the materials are just okay, some cheap, and that Mazda does a better job with its interiors.
Seeing the pictures of the interior didn't exactly whet my appetite, either.
Seeing the pictures of the interior didn't exactly whet my appetite, either.
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For me, I value handling feel over straight line performance. Seems the BMW still has issues in this department. I'll have to test drive it to see if I like it. I hated the F30. I'm also not a fan of the BMW interior and gauges. I think Audi and Mercedes do a much better job. I'll see if the next gen IS has the turbo V6. If not, I'm going elsewhere for sure.
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