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Old Dec 6, 2013 | 10:20 AM
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The best part is the rear. Look at how tired the Hyundai design is, as per usual.





Where as the Avalon looks fresh
it's probably because azera came out 2 years before avalon.

anyway - they kinda look similar?
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Old Dec 6, 2013 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
I totally agree. It is definitely getting a little long in the tooth. Even in my car reviews, where I describe a car stem-to-stern in detail and give a long list of plusses/minuses, I generally don't pan a vehicle for something that looks like a copy of another one. It is extremely difficult, nowadays, with the sheer number of vehicles now or formerly in production, to design something that is TRULY new and doesn't look like SOMEBODY else, somewhere down the line. IMO, people that harp on this are just beating a dead horse.
Very true and correct as always with you mmarshall. I am surprised at how worked up some people are getting over the "copying". Its' hilarious. Who cares anyway?? Most want the best design for the best price. If Hyundai or any other manufacturer can capture the style and beauty of a higher end interior and add their own interpretation for a better price then ITS GREAT!!

Similarities between Lexus and Hyundai will be made because of the rapid rise of both brands in such a short time plus the fact that they were both making better cars than their competitors for less money.

In my book imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Hyundai isn't taking jabs at luxury automaker. They are simply looking over the fence .......LIKE WE ALL DO
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Old Dec 6, 2013 | 10:36 AM
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What utter bull****. It's one thing to say "I don't see any similarity between the Genesis interior and the 5er interior" (which you'd have to be blind to say anyway), but to place all three of those interiors on the same level is just a flat out lie.

Compare the 3 center stacks:



Now honestly tell me, how on earth is the GS in the same league of similarity as the Genesis and 5 series? Ask any 6 year old and they will quickly tell you one of those does not belong. Furthermore, the Genesis and 5 series both use a similar rotary **** system for their infotainment. The GS uses a unique remote touch system, which looks nothing like the other two.

The only similarity with the GS and the German interiors is the horizontal theme. But that's like saying since two songs are about love, they must be exactly the same. In fact the GS and Lexus interiors in general are nothing like their German counterparts. The Germans like to use little brightwork highlights around everything (like around the ***** and strips under the buttons in the Genesis and 5er interiors). Lexus has never been into that stuff. Hyundai meanwhile is attempting to fool people into thinking its interior is as good as any German interior, by mimicking all those little details. Not an ounce of originality or thought or care. Simply take what others have done and massage it for their own use. Then again all the Germans do is copy eachother, Now there is a South Korean competitor getting in on the action.

It's like that nerdy kid in highschool trying to associate himself with the cool kids by sitting close to them at lunch time, eating what they eat and talking like they do. One day someone asks: "do you guys know this kid"? They'll be like "ahh no..." "really? he's been sitting next to you for the last year, you've never noticed him?" "uh sorry no we haven't".





They would have to be wearing some really blinding Hyundai shades to say anything different.
of course it's similar. it definitely has a bmw 'vibe'. color scheme is similar. shape is similar. last gen had more infiniti vibe with curved dash. but saying this is chinese knock off is flat out hilarious. it's just hatin'.

i'm certain there are many of these boxy shape nav unit with buttons and ***** on the side everywhere.

are they blatantly copying each other? lol

i could go on and on about similarities in virtually all cars. there is no such thing as 100% original. nobody is saying this is the most original car in the world. hell no it isn't. but a direct copy of this and that is getting so old.

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Old Dec 6, 2013 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by yowps3
The Avalon has the best interior for the price range of any car on sale today IMO. Avalon vs Azera.

You can easily see that the Avalon interior is higher quality than the Azera's & ES350's


Winner is Avalon, easily
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yowps3, good analysis.
Gentlemen, may I (respectfully) point out that, while that Avalon DOES indeed LOOK good inside in pictures (IMO, it exceds the new Lexus ES350 in that respect), the actual quality of the materials used is quite another matter. If you don't believe me, check out for yourselves the Avalon's sheet metal, which one can push in and out with one finger. Then sit inside and actually FEEL those (admittedly) good-looking materials with your hands. You will find that they range from acceptable-grade plastic to that which is so cheap and thin it is an insult. As I pointed out in my recent Avalon review a couple of weeks ago, the glove box door feels like a piece of thin plasticized paper/cardboard, and the flimsy lock can barely hold even that light lid closed. Then try and adjust the seat-heater ***** on the console......the ***** are so light and wobby that they feel like they are coming off in your fingers. These are probably the two most extreme examples, but, in general, the Avalon's actual interior materials, although LOOKING plush, are in fact, not impressive. Hovever, I'll still admit that, IMO, they beat the looks of those in the new ES350.
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Old Dec 6, 2013 | 11:13 AM
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agreed. Avalon's interior looks good on pictures, but in person it's somewhat disappointing. on the other hand, azera's interior looks awful in the picture. it's even worse in person. i just can stand its ugly shape
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Old Dec 6, 2013 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by hlee12
agreed. Avalon's interior looks good on pictures, but in person it's somewhat disappointing. on the other hand, azera's interior looks awful in the picture. it's even worse in person. i just can stand its ugly shape
Exactly, that and the constant "hey is nice new Sonata" got old in a hurry when I owned my Azera. However the interior was well built and of quality materials. The new Avalon as pointed out is nice from a looks perspective but is cheap/flimsy and rattles...a LOT.
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Old Dec 6, 2013 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
yowps3, good analysis. of course you can also get a cadenza for avalon money. the cadenza interior/exterior is kinda dull, but at least it's driving the right wheels.
The Cadenza is FWD!
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Old Dec 6, 2013 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by hlee12
of course it's similar. it definitely has a bmw 'vibe'. color scheme is similar. shape is similar. last gen had more infiniti vibe with curved dash. but saying this is chinese knock off is flat out hilarious. it's just hatin'.

i'm certain there are many of these boxy shape nav unit with buttons and ***** on the side everywhere.

are they blatantly copying each other? lol

i could go on and on about similarities in virtually all cars. there is no such thing as 100% original. nobody is saying this is the most original car in the world. hell no it isn't. but a direct copy of this and that is getting so old.
The exterior is a chinese knockoff - and I'm not talking coincidental similarity or even design inspiration. Simply knockoff. The designers themselves are probably sitting back laughing at anyone trying to argue against this point. They know too.
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Old Dec 6, 2013 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by yowps3
The Cadenza is FWD!
DOH! too many cars... was thinking kia k900 i guess.
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Old Dec 6, 2013 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Burns
The exterior is a chinese knockoff - and I'm not talking coincidental similarity or even design inspiration. Simply knockoff. The designers themselves are probably sitting back laughing at anyone trying to argue against this point. They know too.
you're entitled to your opinion.

i think this new genesis is decent looking in and out, regardless of where the design cues come from - i really don't care.
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Old Dec 6, 2013 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Burns
The exterior is a chinese knockoff - and I'm not talking coincidental similarity or even design inspiration. Simply knockoff. The designers themselves are probably sitting back laughing at anyone trying to argue against this point. They know too.

prove it.
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Old Dec 6, 2013 | 08:48 PM
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here are some chinese knockoff for ya.









let's go. man up and prove it.
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Old Dec 6, 2013 | 11:50 PM
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Exactly, that and the constant "hey is nice new Sonata" got old in a hurry when I owned my Azera. However the interior was well built and of quality materials. The new Avalon as pointed out is nice from a looks perspective but is cheap/flimsy and rattles...a LOT.
I don't know. But every Hyundai I've driven has flimsy material. Everything Korean is flimsy in general. For example the doors used in all Hyundai's is extremly light and unsubstantial. And their plastic wears out very quickly.

If you want ultimate quality look no further than 80's Toyota's. Thickly molded plastics, dampened interior controls, many electric features such as heated wing mirrors and most importantly velour interior upholstry. Top notch quality there.
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Old Dec 7, 2013 | 03:14 AM
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I agree the Genesis is very solid much more than the Optima.. The doors are solid and do not sound "hollow" at all... I'm basing this off my co workers 2010 genesis 4.6... I can only imagine what the new one will feel like...
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Old Dec 7, 2013 | 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by yowps3
Everything Korean is flimsy in general.
does this include samsung telesivions, tablets, computers, and phones?
while you might not like one, do you think the hyundai equus is 'flimsy'?

If you want ultimate quality look no further than 80's Toyota's.
not sure what 30 years ago has to do with today... what about toyotas today?
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