The more I look at it the more I like it. Their exteriors are beginning to look good. However, they need to work on interiors more.

 

yup. i do like M4 & gran coupe though. rest of the line up is meh.

 

lol…its hilarious to see when this car or sonata etc comes out the people going by any means to act like its some 2nd coming….Same thing happened with the first gen...

What about the 400 million MPG settlement?

http://www.latimes.com/business/auto...,2442041.story

Look it will sell in small numbers like the previous model with huge discounts. It will have a small niche. It elevates Hyundai and makes some other "luxury" brands look really stale...

Just like the last model there won't be any mass Lexus exodus so lets just clap our hands for the new car…. like the last gen it clearly took cues from multiple cars/brands and again seems to work well inside and out…

 

It seems that they just can't establish any kind of their own design language. This new Genesis looks good, but very unfamiliar - it resembles a bunch of different cars, except its own forgettable predecessor. Not a good way to establish brand prestige.

 

Remember the Camry Killer LOL

--We all know how that went.

Hyundai and Kia will never have their LS400 / NSX etc moment

 

People compare this new genesis to BMW. But I see LS460 all over it



Compare new Genesis door to LS460. No comparison

 

They do a great job keeping it handsome/tidy/inoffensive and with solid and proper luxury/RWD proportions. Not everyone wants to stand out and it wouldn't actually make sense considering the goal of this car, under the radar luxury.

With a drop and some wheels, surely it will look even better and the feature content should be very high.

 

no model will cause a 'mass lexus exodus' - change happens over time. it looked like lexus would not lose the luxury sales volume crown but of course they've now been trounced, and audi is on the rise too. hyundai/kia now have some nice models which will elevate their brands, and lexus is rebounding with a stronger line-up now. it will be 10-20 years before we see whether kia/hyundai really made inroads.

 

Lexus was a instant hit. ^

 

Lexus had 2 cars when it started. The LS400 and the ES250. The first ES was a dud, a stop-gap entry product that tided them over until the ES300 came out a few years later. What made Lexus successful in relative measure was the LS. But it did take Lexus several years to establish itself as a contender for the entrenched German players. Lexus was successful early on, especially compared to fellow star-up Infiniti, but it was NOT and instant hit.

 

Why in Krom's name are we comparing the Genesis to the LS?????

 

My question exactly. They're not competitors.

 

agreed the ls400 and stature/service of its dealers was unparalleled and changed the entire luxury business. much has changed though in the intervening 25 years.

 

Comparing as large RWD V8 sedans they are most def competitors. By one being an upscale and the other being luxury.. couldn't be more different in class, refinement, quality, assembly and pedigree.

 

Just because they fit the same layout doesn't mean they're competitors. This is like comparing a Chrysler 300C to an LS460, or a Dodge Charger to a Rolls Royce Phantom. They don't operate in the same sphere despite being large RWD sedans. This comparison would be worth having if we were discussing the Equus, which is an actual LS460 competitor.

The door panel in the Equus still isn't as good as the LS460, in any event.