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Old May 2, 2026 | 12:43 PM
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You sound as if you were the only one that lived in California. I think you mentioned you lived in the bay area. Have you not noticed how SF and around changed over this past decade? You're denial or far from reality. Sure homelessness is everywhere in the US. But what's in California is no comparison. What's shown on youtube, social media, or your claimed kool aid is real. It's not fabricated. Where else can you see a homeless town? Where else can you see people pee/****/doing drugs on the streets or in front of your house? Where else can you see someone can break in your car/shop and cops do **** about it? Where else can you see a nationwide store had to close their shop because of theft? Tell us if those things don't exist in California.
So do you think when you see a 20 second video clip of a homeless encampment in a California city [or ANY city, for that matter] in a park, or on 1/2 of a block, that clip is a fair representation of what the entire city looks like??? C'mon - you can't really think this.
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
look at Tim Cook, invented nothing and took over a company just as it was about to boom….right place at the right time
Ok, but he wasn't named successor of Apple because he happened to be in the room and they needed some random person to take over.... Did he not get to be in a successor position by being incredibly smart and hard working?
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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
Hard work beats out good fortune 99.9% of the time.

You don’t just get promoted bec you’re lucky, you had to have put yourself there to be noticed and built relationships with senior executives etc.

If you own a business, you had to put your company in a position to take advantage of the opportunity to capitalize on that good fortune. It may have taken decades to reach that point.

People that have good fortune are ones that won the lottery. Lol

BTW the fact that all of us are in America is the greatest fortune because no other place gives you the same opportunity for success.
The two things go hand in hand. You can make an argument that someone who won the lottery had to play the lottery and put their money at risk in order to win, thats the same logic lol.

And yes, just being born in America or being able to come to America is luck.
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Originally Posted by tex2670
So do you think when you see a 20 second video clip of a homeless encampment in a California city [or ANY city, for that matter] in a park, or on 1/2 of a block, that clip is a fair representation of what the entire city looks like??? C'mon - you can't really think this.
I gotta say, I have never been to a place with more homeless people than LA.
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Ok, but he wasn't named successor of Apple because he happened to be in the room and they needed some random person to take over.... Did he not get to be in a successor position by being incredibly smart and hard working?
He was lucky that Steve Jobs was dumb enough to delay Western medicine for his cancer....and Cook was very very lucky in that he took over when the cell phone industry was poised for a massive explosion in growth...it was perfect timing... all of the "hardworking" stuff is so overblown...of course hard work is super important, but many downplay how much timing, luck and risk play a role...Tim Cook should take over Tesla as the CEO
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I gotta say, I have never been to a place with more homeless people than LA.
Ever been to San Francisco....especially recently?

Many homeless people like to stay on the West Coast, despite the impossibly high cost of housing, due to the mild climate (particularly in coastal Southern California) and the ability to live outdoors most of the year. Snow is quite rare, and thunderstorms, while they do occasionally happen, in fall and winter, are much less frequent than in many other places. Perhaps the biggest natural hazards are earthquakes and wildfires....but even then, major earthquakes are not that common (maybe one in a decade), and a wildfire can't take out your home if you don't have one.

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Originally Posted by RNM GS3
The homeless are only in big cities, unfortunately only the poor and middle class suffer.

Wealthy ppl live in suburbs and the ones that live in city, their kids go to private schools. In Manhattan, the luxury buildings all have private parks and amazing amenities.

It’s crazy to me to let a few people ruin the public spaces for everyone else especially small kids and teenagers.

I remember 1st visiting CA in 2006 - it was paradise. I went everywhere from Venice Beach to San Francisco. I still go back almost every year but many places in LA are terrible now. I have not been back to SF except to go the airport. Again if you’re in wealthy places, there is no impact but the ppl that need nice public places the most are the ones suffering and for what?!

BTW the population in NYC and Cali are decreasing that is with accounting for illegal immigrants coming in. Imagine a place like California losing people, how bad things have to be to leave paradise.
Homelessness is definitely a problem, especially in LA and SF, no sugar coating it. And most of it is the fault of the state, no sugar coating that. But now a lot of cities are cracking down, like Fremont where I work, you'll be arrested for panhandling and get a ticket if you give money to one. LA and SF they literally camp under the freeways. I hear Venice Beach is pretty bad now. Here in SJ where I am they are mostly a problem in commercial areas where auto shops and body shops are located, SJ police pushed them out where residential areas are located.

A lot of these people are not just on drugs but are mentally ill, so pushing them out and jailing them is probably not a good solution
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And yes, just being born in America or being able to come to America is luck.
being born in america is certainly luck. and yes, if someone literally cannot overcome whatever obstacles there are no matter how hard they try to come to the u.s., then that is bad luck. but many DO come to the u.s. legally, by that same combination you mention or HARD WORK, STRATEGIC THINKING/PLANNING, DETERMINATION, and yes, some luck. i'm an immigrant and i wrote some software at very short notice and very quick turnaround requested by a company's office in the u.s. (because they suspected i could do it based on prior work/reputation) and then they said they needed a guy like me, and they helped facilitate visa, etc., but that wouldn't have happened if i hadn't worked my BUTT off many times before that when opportunity arose and just because i was driven to do more than was expected.

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He was lucky that Steve Jobs was dumb enough to delay Western medicine for his cancer....and Cook was very very lucky in that he took over when the cell phone industry was poised for a massive explosion in growth...it was perfect timing... all of the "hardworking" stuff is so overblown...of course hard work is super important, but many downplay how much timing, luck and risk play a role...Tim Cook should take over Tesla as the CEO
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Let's just remember that Apple needed a loan from Microsoft, how lucky was Apple when Microsoft loaned Apple the money?...maybe that loan came from Bill Gates when he was at the Epstein island
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SF is baaaaaaad. There's always been a homeless problem, sure.

But for example, when we were in SF in '23 or '24 (ICR), we wanted to go to an inside rooftop bar just because they're fun and for the views.

We were staying at The Fairmont, now right around there it was nice and no homeless...

But this rooftop bar was at the top of The Hilton a few blocks south, and it was realllllly sketchy outside just getting from the cab into the building... Not good. Used to be a super nice area, I mean The Hilton usually isn't in a trashed area.

We did a boat tour and the very next day there was an article in the paper about how a group of thieves did a bunch of smash and grabs to like 12 cars in broad daylight, just about right where we were standing 24 hours earlier waiting to board the boat.

LA had a horrible homeless problem when we lived there... And it's so bad now these day that the cops don't come when someone gets carjacked sometimes. The one friend I made out there to keep in touch with for life was a neighbor who told me that all that happened right around where we used to live which was a nicccce area. We spent MONTHS figuring out a good place to live.
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Originally Posted by AJT123
SF is baaaaaaad. There's always been a homeless problem, sure.

But for example, when we were in SF in '23 or '24 (ICR), we wanted to go to an inside rooftop bar just because they're fun and for the views.

We were staying at The Fairmont, now right around there it was nice and no homeless...

But this rooftop bar was at the top of The Hilton a few blocks south, and it was realllllly sketchy outside just getting from the cab into the building... Not good. Used to be a super nice area, I mean The Hilton usually isn't in a trashed area.

We did a boat tour and the very next day there was an article in the paper about how a group of thieves did a bunch of smash and grabs to like 12 cars in broad daylight, just about right where we were standing 24 hours earlier waiting to board the boat.

LA had a horrible homeless problem when we lived there... And it's so bad now these day that the cops don't come when someone gets carjacked sometimes. The one friend I made out there to keep in touch with for life was a neighbor who told me that all that happened right around where we used to live which was a nicccce area. We spent MONTHS figuring out a good place to live.
You couldn't pay me enough to live in either LA or SF. And I was born and lived most of my life there
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You couldn't pay me enough to live in either LA or SF. And I was born and lived most of my life there
Oh yeah, overall we hated LA. Just too much of a hassle, you need a xanax or a shot or both after just driving to the store to get milk. I'd only live there if I were rich enough to live deep in Beverly Hills/Golden Triangle and had assistants to do EVERYTHING.

I'm so glad we did it, though, just for the experience. And it was a very wise move career wise for him.

SF I've always loved but no I wouldn't live there either. It's just beautiful with the bridges and the landscape etc.. You can't beat CA for natural beauty that's for sure.
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Oh yeah, overall we hated LA. Just too much of a hassle, you need a xanax or a shot or both after just driving to the store to get milk. I'd only live there if I were rich enough to live deep in Beverly Hills/Golden Triangle and had assistants to do EVERYTHING.

I'm so glad we did it, though, just for the experience. And it was a very wise move career wise for him.

SF I've always loved but no I wouldn't live there either. It's just beautiful with the bridges and the landscape etc.. You can't beat CA for natural beauty that's for sure.
I've already been to the Golden gate, Fisherman's Warf, and several nice restaurants in SF and have no desire to go back again. LA is to visit family. If I ever moved back to SoCal it would be OC or around the area my brother lives (Ontario, Eastvale etc). SoCal is just way to crowded for me, and traffic is a nightmare. Where my brother lives, all the freeways are packed (15, 60, 71) constantly and it takes you an hour to drive 20 miles
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Never been to San Francisco. I will say LA is one of the most disappointing places I have ever been lol.
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Never been to San Francisco. I will say LA is one of the most disappointing places I have ever been lol.
Well you should visit the Golden gate bridge, Golden gate Park, and Fisherman's Warf, as well as China Town. That's worth a visit to SF



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