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The power tilt wheels are very robust. I wouldnt worry about them.
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I get itOriginally Posted by FrankReynoldsCPA
On a 5k mile car you're probably right. I bought my 540i with 47k miles on it, and I paid less than half of the original price when it was new. I'm going to get more than half of the life of the car out of it. To me it just made sense. Saved a lot of money while also avoiding some of the things I didn't care for in the later G30's(the stupid cluster, COVID era manufacturing, locked ECU, etc)
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I am against the motorized steering columns as I look for the longer term reliability for the feature. My 04 has separate tilt and telescoping controls, both with metal parts. My 21 has one control to do both. New 2025 has added a power tilt and telescoping mechanism, a solution to a problem I hade never had. if I could pay extra to not have it, I would pay it
@BayeauxLex What does the V8 Tundra have?
Powered as it moves up and retracts in as the seat moves into enter/exit mode.Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
2004, 2021 and 2025 Toyota 4Runner entering the thread.I am against the motorized steering columns as I look for the longer term reliability for the feature. My 04 has separate tilt and telescoping controls, both with metal parts. My 21 has one control to do both. New 2025 has added a power tilt and telescoping mechanism, a solution to a problem I hade never had. if I could pay extra to not have it, I would pay it
@BayeauxLex What does the V8 Tundra have?
Had motorized steering column on my 08 and it was still working fine up to I got rid of the truck.
It’s not on the RAVs and wish it were due to multiple drivers at times. Also the mirror settings are not memory saved. 😒
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I am against the motorized steering columns as I look for the longer term reliability for the feature. My 04 has separate tilt and telescoping controls, both with metal parts. My 21 has one control to do both. New 2025 has added a power tilt and telescoping mechanism, a solution to a problem I hade never had. if I could pay extra to not have it, I would pay it
@BayeauxLex What does the V8 Tundra have?
it really is amazing how cheap Lexus can be. 2014-2019 Corolla hatch has power retracting mirrors
My 02 LS430 never lost its tilt/telescope motors at 285k miles, and that one is known for them to die. Unfortunately if they did they were expensive, myOriginally Posted by Toys4RJill
2004, 2021 and 2025 Toyota 4Runner entering the thread.I am against the motorized steering columns as I look for the longer term reliability for the feature. My 04 has separate tilt and telescoping controls, both with metal parts. My 21 has one control to do both. New 2025 has added a power tilt and telescoping mechanism, a solution to a problem I hade never had. if I could pay extra to not have it, I would pay it
@BayeauxLex What does the V8 Tundra have?
it really is amazing how cheap Lexus can be. 2014-2019 Corolla hatch has power retracting mirrors
German cars are stupidly cheap for new ones. $65 for the whole column and the motors are easier to access, it's just not an issue despite people freaking out over "maybe it will break". My thoughts on that are then you will never have anything nice out of some misplaced fear it (a feature you didn't even have/need) may stop working and thus just return you to the basic experience.
I don't hear you complaining about power adjustable mirrors, wouldn't it be better if you had to walk around the car to adjust based on your logic?
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My GS and Tundra both pull the steering wheel up and away when turned off. I like that. I'm not tall (5'10") but have long legs (36" inseam) so my arms/torso are short. I need my steering wheel positioned fully aft when driving, to be comfortable for my short arms, but pulled out of the way for entry/exit, for my long(ish) legs.
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The only cars I've had with power tilt/telescoping wheels are my 92 LS400 and my 2017 540i. The one in my LS400 was still working fine at 21 years old when i got rid of the car.
I like the feature.
I like the feature.
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on a 5k mi. car, how much are you actually 'saving' vs. just getting a new one? i could never see buying a used car as saving anything, yeah it's cheaper outlay, but the lower price is coming from the mileage and wear and tear of course.
I never have a timeline as to when I will keep the car for. I tend to keep my cars for a long time as long as there's no issue with it and the maintenance cost is reasonable. My very first car was a 2003 Acura TL-S and I drove that thing until 140k miles with transmission starting to slip in 2012. I don't think I will have a problem with BMW maintenance cost. As long as the vehicle doesn't have major issues or constant repair bills, I will keep it for a long time.Originally Posted by bitkahuna
how long do you intend to keep the car?on a 5k mi. car, how much are you actually 'saving' vs. just getting a new one? i could never see buying a used car as saving anything, yeah it's cheaper outlay, but the lower price is coming from the mileage and wear and tear of course.
That 2022 540i with 3k miles is a no go. It barely has anything other than the M sport package and the premium package and the seats are Sensatec synthetic leather. I feel that the Dakota leather is worth the price upgrade over the Sensatec. I haen't gone in one with Nappa yet. And with 3k miles, they want $55k on a $67k msrp vehicle. So it's a no go for me.
These lease returned vehicles are in great shape so far. I mean, less than 30k miles. How much damage can you do?

I DO NOT like the new generation of BMW vehicles. The new 5 and 7 series look gaudy. And I'm sure the new 3 series will follow. I'm not in a big rush to get it. I might just wait it out and see what's coming in and maybe 22-23 M550 price will drop in my price range. But really, the 540i is the perfect daily for me.
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Yeah it is a big deal for me since my wife and I drive each others cars all the time and multiple times a day, especially our sedans since it is easier to hop in and go since it is kept outside vs. the garage. When I had my old IS without memory seats it was awful trying to squeeze in to the car because you kind of forget the seat isn't far enough back and I could barely squeeze in between the seat and steering wheel.Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i guess if multiple people share a car, then it is useful, especially with memory settings. hadn't thought of that.
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When my only nice cars were the LS460 and LS430 we had keys assigned to us so when we walked up the car would set everything for the correct person, it was a very nice quality of life feature. I still sometimes have to manually readjust the Jeep/Jetta if we swap for some reason, not a big deal as it's not constant but man it's nice having fully automatic settings. The Phaeton even does the rearview and all menu settings etc when you use a given keyOriginally Posted by patgilm
Yeah it is a big deal for me since my wife and I drive each others cars all the time and multiple times a day, especially our sedans since it is easier to hop in and go since it is kept outside vs. the garage. When I had my old IS without memory seats it was awful trying to squeeze in to the car because you kind of forget the seat isn't far enough back and I could barely squeeze in between the seat and steering wheel.
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If I’m not mistaken that’s a feature on X7. When I have the secondary key fob the I notice it will display the ambient lighting as I get close and open the door. Same for my wife when she uses her key fob as it displays a different color.Originally Posted by Striker223
When my only nice cars were the LS460 and LS430 we had keys assigned to us so when we walked up the car would set everything for the correct person, it was a very nice quality of life feature. I still sometimes have to manually readjust the Jeep/Jetta if we swap for some reason, not a big deal as it's not constant but man it's nice having fully automatic settings. The Phaeton even does the rearview and all menu settings etc when you use a given key
On our MDX both key fobs had their separate setting.
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All of our cars had that feature too where we could have each key programmed to each of our preferences but we have always just shared the one key and put it in the key drawer and keep the spare keys in pristine condition. As long as the car has memory seats and easy access it was fine. Originally Posted by Striker223
When my only nice cars were the LS460 and LS430 we had keys assigned to us so when we walked up the car would set everything for the correct person, it was a very nice quality of life feature. I still sometimes have to manually readjust the Jeep/Jetta if we swap for some reason, not a big deal as it's not constant but man it's nice having fully automatic settings. The Phaeton even does the rearview and all menu settings etc when you use a given key
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I got lucky and had 3 keys, I also like having one mint/spare key for each car. It's a damn nice feature to have IMOOriginally Posted by patgilm
All of our cars had that feature too where we could have each key programmed to each of our preferences but we have always just shared the one key and put it in the key drawer and keep the spare keys in pristine condition. As long as the car has memory seats and easy access it was fine.
However I did get screwed with my D4 W12 though, I STILL to this day can't find even one correct spare key yet alone a mint one....all of the other cars have at least one mint key, even the Jeep and Jetta
You won't be disappointed with a BMW. I have been with Lexus from 2004 to 2019, but lack of innovations and a pretty boring line up made me switch to BMW.
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What model did you buy?Originally Posted by SNiiP3R
You won't be disappointed with a BMW. I have been with Lexus from 2004 to 2019, but lack of innovations and a pretty boring line up made me switch to BMW.
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