BMW M340xi
On a 5k mile car you're probably right. I bought my 540i with 47k miles on it, and I paid less than half of the original price when it was new. I'm going to get more than half of the life of the car out of it. To me it just made sense. Saved a lot of money while also avoiding some of the things I didn't care for in the later G30's(the stupid cluster, COVID era manufacturing, locked ECU, etc)
2004, 2021 and 2025 Toyota 4Runner entering the thread.
I am against the motorized steering columns as I look for the longer term reliability for the feature. My 04 has separate tilt and telescoping controls, both with metal parts. My 21 has one control to do both. New 2025 has added a power tilt and telescoping mechanism, a solution to a problem I hade never had. if I could pay extra to not have it, I would pay it
@BayeauxLex What does the V8 Tundra have?
I am against the motorized steering columns as I look for the longer term reliability for the feature. My 04 has separate tilt and telescoping controls, both with metal parts. My 21 has one control to do both. New 2025 has added a power tilt and telescoping mechanism, a solution to a problem I hade never had. if I could pay extra to not have it, I would pay it
@BayeauxLex What does the V8 Tundra have?
Had motorized steering column on my 08 and it was still working fine up to I got rid of the truck.
It’s not on the RAVs and wish it were due to multiple drivers at times. Also the mirror settings are not memory saved. 😒
2004, 2021 and 2025 Toyota 4Runner entering the thread.
I am against the motorized steering columns as I look for the longer term reliability for the feature. My 04 has separate tilt and telescoping controls, both with metal parts. My 21 has one control to do both. New 2025 has added a power tilt and telescoping mechanism, a solution to a problem I hade never had. if I could pay extra to not have it, I would pay it
@BayeauxLex What does the V8 Tundra have?
it really is amazing how cheap Lexus can be. 2014-2019 Corolla hatch has power retracting mirrors
I am against the motorized steering columns as I look for the longer term reliability for the feature. My 04 has separate tilt and telescoping controls, both with metal parts. My 21 has one control to do both. New 2025 has added a power tilt and telescoping mechanism, a solution to a problem I hade never had. if I could pay extra to not have it, I would pay it
@BayeauxLex What does the V8 Tundra have?
it really is amazing how cheap Lexus can be. 2014-2019 Corolla hatch has power retracting mirrors

German cars are stupidly cheap for new ones. $65 for the whole column and the motors are easier to access, it's just not an issue despite people freaking out over "maybe it will break". My thoughts on that are then you will never have anything nice out of some misplaced fear it (a feature you didn't even have/need) may stop working and thus just return you to the basic experience.
I don't hear you complaining about power adjustable mirrors, wouldn't it be better if you had to walk around the car to adjust based on your logic?
Last edited by Striker223; Mar 3, 2025 at 05:37 PM.
My GS and Tundra both pull the steering wheel up and away when turned off. I like that. I'm not tall (5'10") but have long legs (36" inseam) so my arms/torso are short. I need my steering wheel positioned fully aft when driving, to be comfortable for my short arms, but pulled out of the way for entry/exit, for my long(ish) legs.
The only cars I've had with power tilt/telescoping wheels are my 92 LS400 and my 2017 540i. The one in my LS400 was still working fine at 21 years old when i got rid of the car.
I like the feature.
I like the feature.
how long do you intend to keep the car?
on a 5k mi. car, how much are you actually 'saving' vs. just getting a new one? i could never see buying a used car as saving anything, yeah it's cheaper outlay, but the lower price is coming from the mileage and wear and tear of course.
on a 5k mi. car, how much are you actually 'saving' vs. just getting a new one? i could never see buying a used car as saving anything, yeah it's cheaper outlay, but the lower price is coming from the mileage and wear and tear of course.
That 2022 540i with 3k miles is a no go. It barely has anything other than the M sport package and the premium package and the seats are Sensatec synthetic leather. I feel that the Dakota leather is worth the price upgrade over the Sensatec. I haen't gone in one with Nappa yet. And with 3k miles, they want $55k on a $67k msrp vehicle. So it's a no go for me.
These lease returned vehicles are in great shape so far. I mean, less than 30k miles. How much damage can you do?

I DO NOT like the new generation of BMW vehicles. The new 5 and 7 series look gaudy. And I'm sure the new 3 series will follow. I'm not in a big rush to get it. I might just wait it out and see what's coming in and maybe 22-23 M550 price will drop in my price range. But really, the 540i is the perfect daily for me.
Yeah it is a big deal for me since my wife and I drive each others cars all the time and multiple times a day, especially our sedans since it is easier to hop in and go since it is kept outside vs. the garage. When I had my old IS without memory seats it was awful trying to squeeze in to the car because you kind of forget the seat isn't far enough back and I could barely squeeze in between the seat and steering wheel.
Yeah it is a big deal for me since my wife and I drive each others cars all the time and multiple times a day, especially our sedans since it is easier to hop in and go since it is kept outside vs. the garage. When I had my old IS without memory seats it was awful trying to squeeze in to the car because you kind of forget the seat isn't far enough back and I could barely squeeze in between the seat and steering wheel.
Last edited by Striker223; Mar 4, 2025 at 06:31 PM.
When my only nice cars were the LS460 and LS430 we had keys assigned to us so when we walked up the car would set everything for the correct person, it was a very nice quality of life feature. I still sometimes have to manually readjust the Jeep/Jetta if we swap for some reason, not a big deal as it's not constant but man it's nice having fully automatic settings. The Phaeton even does the rearview and all menu settings etc when you use a given key
On our MDX both key fobs had their separate setting.
When my only nice cars were the LS460 and LS430 we had keys assigned to us so when we walked up the car would set everything for the correct person, it was a very nice quality of life feature. I still sometimes have to manually readjust the Jeep/Jetta if we swap for some reason, not a big deal as it's not constant but man it's nice having fully automatic settings. The Phaeton even does the rearview and all menu settings etc when you use a given key
All of our cars had that feature too where we could have each key programmed to each of our preferences but we have always just shared the one key and put it in the key drawer and keep the spare keys in pristine condition. As long as the car has memory seats and easy access it was fine.
However I did get screwed with my D4 W12 though, I STILL to this day can't find even one correct spare key yet alone a mint one....all of the other cars have at least one mint key, even the Jeep and Jetta

















