He insults anyone that thinks FSD is useful and he does it very often.

 

Elon Musk has never said he "doesn’t want people driving" as a general principle, at best that's a distorted or exaggerated claim.

Calling people cult members and bastard children aside here are actual arguments surrounding FSD. You either believe going forward it will become much better than human drivers or you don't. We already have overwhelming evidence from Telsa and Waymo that autonomous driving is safer and it only gets better from here. One thing most people don't know about a Tesla is even if you don't have FSD the vision system is still used to anticipate collisions and react accordingly. This tech belongs in ALL cars regardless if you are driving or not because people are mistake prone. Having said that, Tesla's class leading safety wouldn't exist without FSD it's all part of the same software stack.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...ts-2026-05-07/

 

The way I see it, it's his loss. Just got back last night from almost 1000 miles of driving, 100 percent FSD. Amazing, just ******* brilliant is the only way to describe it

 

Don't get your panties in a bunch, I am just poking lighthearted fun, no need to get so triggered, lol. At least I am direct and transparent, while the Prophet just mocks the hell out of his worshipers with hilarious terms like "Full Self Driving. Supervised", "Feature Complete", "Appreciating Asset", "Pending Regulatory Approval", etc and laughing all the way to the bank.

I haven't owned a Lexus/Toyota since 2012, but I never talked smack about Toyota, I just didn't like some particular models they had. Sadly, I don't currently find many of their products appealing, but I admire the heck out of Toyota as a company. They are humble, honest, consistent and reasonable. They never create any hype, never spew bs, never change their direction to appease whatever the current trend or political narrative, and don't participate in blatant hypocrisy like let's say VW going from dieselgate to Voltswagen, lol. Over the years we've fended off swarms of all kinds of invaders from the Kia/Hyundai boys to VW diesel boys that came to CL to spew nonsense about Toyota. Where are they now, lol.

I participate in the EV thread once in a while, but this thread is specific to self driving.


I haven't owner a Toyota product in a decade and a half. I am a certified BMW douche, I even have a BMW tshirt someone gave me.

Many autonomous driving advocates have agreed that human drivers, as well as pedestrians, bicyclists, motorcyclists are the biggest obstacles for autonomous cars. There was a huge self driving thread on here that go really heated back in 2017, and even some CL members who are in favor of autonomous driving were suggesting banning human drivers. And if you listen to what the executives of AI companies say, they don't exactly have a high opinion of humans.

We've also had a large thread on cars possibly detecting and reporting drivers for violations. I think this is already somewhat starting to play out, just not the way most of us were predicting - new cars are being equipped with kill switches, GPS trackers, and cameras that monitor drivers. There are also a bunch of speed cameras installed all over the roads, as well as AI cameras with face recognition, in Australia for instance they have AI cameras that issue seat belt tickets.

I understand Tesla already issues demerits when it detect improper use of its "Full Self Driving. Supervised", from temporary disabling of the feature, to full on ban? So while I might have expressed my points in a dramatically sarcastic way, I am not far off. With everything that has been transpiring, we're not that far away from being "clean it up wagie" for self driving cars, lol.

 

I'm not trying to convince you of anything @Och I'm totally fine with your views. FSD was a hard pill for me to swallow before I actually used it, now I happily pay $99 a month for it. This is only a friendly suggestion, but if I were you I would take one for a 30 minute test drive just for testing out FSD, then that would give you full authority to be a critic. If you say it's scam after that, I won't say a word, in fact I'll tell @Hameed to move on myself.

Now why it's supervised is basically laws and regulations. The name may be a bit deceptive, but if you believe in God or any deity, I would swear by them that this is one of the most amazing tech's I've ever got my hands on. And I'm no Elon fanboy. Tesla fanboy? Most definitely

 

I am past the point of discussing usefulness of the "FSD", we've gone through it, no need to regurgitate the same arguments over and over again. I am concentrating on the "Supervised" aspect of the FSD. Can you confirm Tesla has devices to survey drivers to make sure they keep hands on the steering wheel and eyes on the road, otherwise the "FSD" system gets disabled for a period of time? If so, the dystopian surveillance is already partly here. I understand this wasn't the case just a few years ago. To be fair, these systems are also starting to be mandated for conventional vehicles as well.

Is it really far fetched to imagine a future where we are mandated to use autonomous driving, while the in car surveillance devices monitor and analyze our yes, hands, body position to make sure we are properly supervising the autonomous drive?

 

Then you actually don't know about FSD. I haven't touched the steering wheel once in thousands of miles of driving, including 1000 mile drive I did over the weekend, and I barely had my eyes on the road. So you're right, there is nothing to discuss until you properly educate yourself on the system. If you are not interested in educating yourself, it's understandable, but yes, that means there is nothing to discuss

 

Tesla's Full Self-Driving (FSD) system monitors driver attention using the cabin camera to prevent system abuse. If you ignore its prompts, the system issues visual/audio warnings. Accumulating 5 "strikes" disables both Autopilot and FSD for one week. Additionally, Tesla permanently disables FSD on vehicles running unauthorized hardware hacks to bypass regional restrictions.

Driver Monitoring & Strikes

• The Cabin Camera: Tesla’s software uses the rearview mirror-mounted camera to track your eyes, head positioning, and overall vigilance. Warnings & Strikes: If you ignore warnings (like looking away from the road or using your phone), the car will provide an alert. Repeatedly ignoring these will result in a strike for that drive.
• The Penalty: If you accumulate 5 strikes, Tesla will lock you out of FSD and Autopilot for 1 week, forcing you to drive entirely manually.

Unauthorized "Jailbreak" Devices

• Cracking Down on Hacks: Tesla actively monitors vehicle logs for unauthorized third-party "jailbreak" or CAN bus devices. These unauthorized modifications have been used to force-activate FSD in regions where the software has not been legally approved.
• Permanent Disabling: If Tesla’s system detects that one of these cheat devices is physically plugged into the vehicle, it will remotely and permanently revoke FSD access, reverting the car to basic Autopilot.

 

That was probably written by Grok or some other AI the irony is dangerously high.

 

Do you know what it takes to get a strike? I haven't even gotten one in two years of using it. You still have no idea how FSD works nor have you experienced it, so we are both wasting each other's time discussing this. I would suggest just moving on

 

I say you're full of BS. Tons of evidence online showing the system failing at the most basic tasks - as they say you don't need to eat an egg to know it's rotten.

 

I know a couple people that have had it shut off for strikes. Not as hard to get as you would think. Like I have said before I see no value if I can't work on my phone while its driving.

 

My friend claims he watches Netflix on his way to work using a cell phone holder that he attaches to the back of the Model 3's screen. Says he won't ever go back to driving himself. Kinda sad for a guy who has an S2000, NSX, 997 GT3 and some sport bike rotting in his garage

 

Has anyone seen this? Apparently this is the first time Tesla is found financially liable for crash while the car was in autonomous mode, and it sets a major precedent for future such cases.

https://www.californiaaccidentattorn...ssist-crashes/

 

Well here's proof you are totally not a serious person. Discussion over