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Then just ignore those people. The zealot type defense actually repels people and creates the same reaction you're complaining about.

My interactions with you and others (but specifically you lately) have honestly made me want an EV less...thats the honest truth.

Hard for me to feel that way about Hameed when I've been on the other end of his condescending reactions to my opinions.

You all are guilty of the same repitition. You post inviting these sorts of things by continuing to mock those who disagree.

Aaaaand here it is:

Seriously, you make my points for me so well. You realize this is a great example of the mocking and baiting that invites the sort of thing you're complaining about. You keep slapping me about it off topic in multiple threads and then whining when I respond. Thats on you.

If you want people to stop trolling you for your zealot like posts, stop trolling us for posting less than effusive praise. Smilies with the tongue stuck out don't change the nature of the post...which is what you also said to Och about "lol".

 

Take a page from your own playbook maybe?
prove it

 

I don't ridicule other people for their opinions. I disagree with them and discuss them.

You just proved it yourself.

You all take any less that effusive comment about EVs or FSD or Tesla like a personal insult, its ridiculous. Why does this make you angry? You didn't design it, if you like it then use it. The people who are trolling you are doing it because they are getting the rise out of you that they're looking for.

 

I am not that active but even being here for just 10 min a month for years and years is enough to see the trend. Based on quick AI search though, the same user appears to have been banned and kicked out from a BMW forum with similar trend. If memory serves, in the past, because of personal jabs and barbs at other posters, he has also been asked to leave several a few threads as well. Something to think about when it's the same person, with same results/reactions from others in multiple places.

 

you just did it above lol. not going to rehash.

really over-reading this. those who happen to like FSD don't see baseless criticism as a personal insult, i agree that would be ridiculous. and i'm certainly not angry. it's kinda hilarious all the dunning kruger about ev's.

 

I’m not even knocking FSD…and I’m still getting attacked just for suggesting why people are giving it’s fans a hard time lol

 

 

It might be improving, but these improvements don't really translate into real world practical use of the system. It's still level 2, you still gotta sit there and watch the road and be ready to take over at any moment. I wonder if you've read the article Mike posted a while back, pretty eye opening on how deceptive Tesla's stats are when it comes to FSD. You can ask grok to summarize it, but it's worth reading the whole thing.

https://www.reuters.com/investigatio...ts-2026-05-28/



When you said my tone is condescending, I hope I don't come through as condescending toward you personally. While we often disagree, I find our conversations constructive and enjoyable. However, it's difficult to have a good faith conversation with some of the cult agents on here - if condescending was a profession some of them could be CEOs and others their eager little sidekicks, lol. They are only polite until someone dares to criticize EVs, Telsa, FSD, and they become hyperoffended and berating. Several pages of butthurt over me calling BS on one of their claims, yet they were collectively berating Steve when he explained what makes him a better than average driver and doesn't think FSD in it's current state is safer than an average driver. FYI, an average driver in the US aged 20-64 averages 200k+ miles without an accident.

Funny thing, Steve and I don't even agree on the overall premise of autonomous driving. Steve believes autonomous driving will at some point become a reality, just doesn't see value in a Level 2 FSD system. I've been calling BS on the entire premise since the beginning.

Most, if not all of EV owners have the luxury of parking and charging their EVs on their own property, and don't have to rely on public charging infrastructure. I find it very arrogant when they dismiss the concerns of people who don't have such luxury and would have to rely on public charging infrastructure if forced to drive an EV due to potential ICE bans.


Oh jeez, I can't believe people can still be so gullible when it comes to another Tesla grift, lol. Didn't Elon say millions of robotaxis back in like 2019? There are like 30 robotaxes in a tiny geofenced area with super detailed maps, with remote drivers for back up. I'm sure this is not how Elon presented the launch to the investors, lol - just read the reuters article, it touches on this. Waymo had these for what, 10 years, and they are constantly in the news for failing at the most basic tasks. I'd say don't hold your breath for real world autonomous driving.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/t...on-270593.html

https://theroboticsmedia.com/article...cles-waymo-gap

But I also gotta admit, I was once wrong to call Elon's BS. When I saw the Cybertruck concept I though surely he was just trolling everyone with that dumpster on wheels, and there was no way it was going to pass crash safety requirements and see production. I was wrong, the madman actually did it, lol.

 

Exactly.

And right, we have gone round and round about it in the past lol. I believe eventually it will get there, it’s just not technology that I find useful as long as I still have to pay full attention.

 

Thread closed. Will reopen it after some actions taken.

 

Any more personal jabs and people get time off. That simple. I’m not cleaning anything up in here. No opinions are being changed.

- If you don’t really care for Tesla or Driving Assist maybe just avoid the thread. Questions are fine but not baiting owners.
- If you own a Tesla, Elon doesn’t know you and it’s not a badge of honor to take anything negative about Tesla as a personal attack.

There is 68 pages of good info here.

-mike-

 

Thank you Mike 👍. Back to FSD. The latest update which is 14.3.3, I've already stated multiple times that it is just simply amazing. The truth is, you only have to pay minimal attention unless conditions are such that it feels extra attention is needed, like driving over 80;with merging traffic ahead. I used it over a three day period and a thousand miles and had to occasionally glance at the road. Most of these times I'm just casually talking to my passenger, really paying minimal attention. Last Friday night it's 2 am and I'm literally half awake, car is going 80 mph navigation SoCal freeways with ease. I would have never been able to do this drive as tired as I was as I had literally gotten off work only a few hours earlier.

People can think it's not ready for primetime, have zero trust, think it's snake oil, and even think I'm full of it. And I really don't care. 10 billion miles of driving data as well as over 6 months of personal experience using it proves to me that it's close. So almost there that I'm willing to shell out $99 a month. And no, I'm not rich

 

I know I previously complained that FSD would only move over to the right for an exit .75 miles before the exit, making it very nervous for me as a driver. But now, it seems to move over 2 miles before the exit, which is IMO too soon. It even slows down considerably behind traffic to do this, even in hurry/mad max mode.

I also noticed for the first time today that the message for attention on the screen said "extra attention required in max max mode" or something to that effect when I glanced away briefly.

And lastly, the parking lot situation is still a mess. I sat back and watched FSD circle a parking lot to trying to find the exit, only to go back to its original starting point and mess up again. I finally took over.

 

That last part is not an FSD issue but navigation issue. Yesterday my brother in laws Tesla did that in a parking lot but it figured it out by itself