I posted a Model X vs EV9 interior comparison video and the first thing someone pointed out, the Model X is pre 2021 model compared to a 2023/2024 EV9. The Model X could have a new battery and be a “brand new car with all issues with the battery and motors repaired.”

 

You're making of fun of me, aren't you? Let me rephrase...it now has new life

 

🤣🤣🫣 of course not

 

The Corvette is not included in the latest round of IIHS Driver Death statistics, because it was a complete redesign during the 2019-2022 review period, and has not accumulated 100,000 vehicle years of exposure or 20 driver deaths in that period. At least one of those factors is required for inclusion. That alone is actually pretty good news for the C8 specifically.

The latest data we DO have is from the 2020 study (which covers 2014-2018). That had the Corvette at slightly above (meaning slightly worse than) average both in its class (Midsize sports cars) and compared to all vehicles, but about a third of the worst car (Ford Fiesta), and about 20% less than the 20th worst (Mitsubishi Outlander Sport), which is as far down as the ranked list goes. It's 17% lower than the Dodge Challenger, and a third lower than the Mustang GT.

What's interesting though is that nearly all of the fatal crashes were single vehicle accidents, and more than a quarter of those were rollovers. This is a wide, low-slung car, not a lifted bro-dozer. You have to WORK to get it to roll over. That leads me to conclude that the overwhelming majority of these fatal accidents are a driver issue (high speed + low skill + poor judgement), not an engineering one.

 

Makes me wonder about EV wrecks too.

I can't imagine that much power from a push of the pedal when I was 18 years old, and wild, & reckless.

I still believe EV's are WAY too much car for a noob driver.

Ya'll feel free to shoot me down but I know. Lol

 

lots of assumptions there, mostly probably wrong. A used P100d has already experienced most of its core depreciation. The depreciation curve from now will be shallow. It may even be close to level. EV insurance is not necessarily any more expensive than other cars. Mine for example is about the same as it costs us for both of our Lexus RX. If your quote is high for an EV then chances are it’s your driving record or other external factor causing that, and you’d be punitively quoted on pretty much any other vehicle. EVs generally require less maintenance and a used Tesla of that era probably has most major items already addressed. You can check battery health before you buy. You can’t easily check ICE engine health in the same way. A pre purchase inspection on an ICE vehicle is much more of a mechanical snapshot in time than an EV diagnostic which is a much more reliable predictor of future battery performance.

 

Let’s agree that we disagree. The ownership cost of a Tesla P100D is very high and it is a car I researched a lot while considering to buy.

Insurance rates are just as you implied about double than a similarly priced car and you keep paying that as long as you own the car. This is only for drivers with perfect record and no teenagers in the same address. Check online for several complains of insurance companies refusing to insure Performance Teslas.

Depreciation has been high from $130,000 to $30,000 in 7 years. Considering that the 2013 P85D is selling now for $13000, I do not see that slowing down or flatten. Maybe if we have another COVID period.

Repairs are way higher than other cars not just Lexus. Common issues include $3000 control arms and suspension, $2000 MCU, Coolant leaks $3000-$5000 and the icing on the cake a HV battery $15,000-$18,000. The failure HV battery rate has been reported between 3% or up to 8% for 2013. Yes I save $120 from 2 synthetic oil changes I would have every year.

I still like these cars but if I buy it used and out of warranty, I understand where I am getting into.

 

No, let's not agree to disagree. I think your assumptions are flat out wrong. With that said, if you're so worried about buying one, the best advice is don't buy one.

This really isn't difficult.

 

So we agree? I am confused.😂

 

You've made that perfectly clear to be fair. We do agree on that.

 

Let’s move on please

 

Don’t be tempted by the cheap price. The extreme depreciation is for a good reason. Trust the market.

 

My brother in law's son has a 2018 Model S p100D, and I asked him about his ownership experience, and here was his responses:





He has nearly 100k on it, and it seems it's been reliable except for some quality/manufacturing stuff. This is his second Model S as he stated in the text. From conversations with him, the most expensive ownership aspect is the insurance premium, but he probably saves more in not having to buy gas and maint. Here's a pic of the car:



I would buy a used one in a heartbeat!

 

Good info, @AMIRZA786 . So no major issues as I'd expect. I'd happily buy one used. Insurance, of course, is very driver-specific. The premium for my Lightning (over 90K new MSRP) is $528 for 6 months via State Farm. Full coverage, high limits, low deductible.

 

He's also wealthy, so I'm pretty sure he doesn't shop around, as $3k a year for him is not even noise. 100 percent I would buy one used, as every problem he's had with the car had to do with their manufacturing process, and most were corrected under warranty. He hasn't spent a cent on reliability related problems. He loves the car so much, he even bought out his lease.

I know several people who own Model S, and the biggest problem I've seen has been the screen, which actually turned out to be an issue with some defective module. Yes the early model years had suspension, motor and inverter related issues, but those would have been addressed under warranty. That said, I probably would stay away from a 2014 and pickup one up anywhere from 2018 and on