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Nov 29, 2023 | 01:42 PM

#376

AJT123

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Quote:

Originally Posted by swajames

There's nothing in that linked article that's even remotely contentious.

Except all the (so awful it’s funny) lies, and that trash article is pushing EVs just like the government is.

Nov 29, 2023 | 01:43 PM

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AMIRZA786

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AJT123

That article says expect up to a 20% loss in fuel economy range in general in the winter with an ICE car, which is horse****.

Cars warm up, they all do and they always have. My cars nail or exceed their EPA ratings.

Using the heater has no effect on MPG.

Here is a screenshot from my 2018 Civic Si driven in the winter. In the summer it would average around 35 MPG. Unless Honda is lying and full of BS

MPG rating of the Si is 28 City, 40 hwy, BTW

Nov 29, 2023 | 01:46 PM

#378

AJT123

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I’m 41 years old and have never had any discernible loss in driving range because of winter, lol. Ever. Been driving since 1997.

Nov 29, 2023 | 01:49 PM

#379

AMIRZA786

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AJT123

I’m 41 years old and have never had any discernible loss in driving range because of winter, lol. Ever. Been driving since 1997.

Well, I can say I'm older than you, driven longer than you (more than 30 years) and I have the numbers I posted above prove it. So I'm pulling rank here

Nov 29, 2023 | 01:57 PM

#380

Mike728

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If you've never had to stick a screwdriver down a carburetor in the Winter to keep it running, you may not know as much as you think.

We're drifting off topic, so I'll stop there.

Nov 29, 2023 | 02:05 PM

#381

AMIRZA786

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Originally Posted by Mike728

If you've never had to stick a screwdriver down a carburetor in the Winter to keep it running, you may not know as much as you think.

We're drifting off topic, so I'll stop there.

No, but I've had to use carburetor cleaner and starting fluid a bunch of times. I'll leave it here as well

Nov 29, 2023 | 02:05 PM

#382

AJT123

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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786

Well, I can say I'm older than you, driven longer than you (more than 30 years) and I have the numbers I posted above prove it. So I'm pulling rank here

I just finished up a tank of gas 100% city driving at 14.2 MPG in my LX570. It’s rated for 12. Can’t agree. It’s been freezing here, all due respect to your rank that article is just a load of ****. 20%???? That’s just not true. If driving a car in winter makes it 20% less efficient what about in the summer? Does it lose 90% because of the air conditioning?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike728

If you've never had to stick a screwdriver down a carburetor in the Winter to keep it running, you may not know as much as you think.

We're drifting off topic, so I'll stop there.

It’s not the 1970s anymore maybe? Perhaps? Fuel injection has been a thing for 40 years.

Nov 29, 2023 | 02:07 PM

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AMIRZA786

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I just finished up a tank of gas 100% city driving at 14.2 MPG. It’s rated for 12. Can’t agree.

If you can't agree with published proof, than I guess we can just leave it at that

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Nov 29, 2023 | 02:09 PM

#384

AJT123

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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786

If you can't agree with published proof, than I guess we can just leave it at that

YOUR data and a BS government article.

Are you calling me a liar then? Never in my life noticed a difference.

Nov 29, 2023 | 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AJT123

I don’t believe anything in that article. 20% loss in MPG in cold weather? Never in my life. I’ve never noticed cold weather even ever affecting my gasoline range and I’ve been driving for 26 years. Instantly the credibility goes out the window. Plus it’s from the government, that article is complete BS.

An ICE car is going to heat up regardless and do all of those things you mention. The heat is just a blower blowing heat “off of the engine” like I said. It doesn’t cost any mpg, unlike a/c….and A/C is NOT EVEN CLOSE to a 20% loss either. It’s minimal.

I have ALWAYS experienced cold weather impacting my gasoline range. It absolutely does. 20% sounds about right.

Nov 29, 2023 | 02:10 PM

#386

SW17LS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AJT123

YOUR data and a BS government article.

Are you calling me a liar then? Never in my life noticed a difference.

Just because you may not have noticed something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You also don't live in a cold area...its 50 degrees where you live right now and the low is 35. Thats not cold.

Seriously, you're totally wrong on this one.

Nov 29, 2023 | 02:11 PM

#387

AJT123

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Originally Posted by SW17LS

I have ALWAYS experienced cold weather impacting my gasoline range. It absolutely does. 20% sounds about right.

Never, nor has anyone in my life ever reported such a thing.

Nov 29, 2023 | 02:12 PM

#388

AJT123

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Originally Posted by SW17LS

Just because you may not have noticed something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You also don't live in a cold area...

Seriously, you're totally wrong on this one.

Actually I have family in Rochester NY and believe me I’ve been texting family and friends; they say that’s ludicrous too.

Nov 29, 2023 | 02:12 PM

#389

AMIRZA786

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AJT123

YOUR data and a BS government article.

Are you calling me a liar then? Never in my life noticed a difference.

No of course not. I wasn't referring to the article, but the pic I posted of my MPG's down due to colder weather. I was just saying I don't think we are going to convince each other one way or another

Nov 29, 2023 | 02:13 PM

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SW17LS

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Originally Posted by AJT123

Never, nor has anyone in my life ever reported such a thing.

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Originally Posted by AJT123

Actually I have family in Rochester NY and believe me I’ve been texting family and friends; they say that’s ludicrous too.

I honestly have no idea where you are coming from here lol, you may as well be trying to convince me that the sky is green.

Gasoline engines absolutely are less efficient in the cold, and have notably lower fuel economy in the winter. Seriously, just Google it.