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Old Mar 27, 2024 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
The warranties they sell at Dealerships are basically junk, at least in my experience. I've never been able to use them, full of exclusions and deductibles they don't tell you about. With Tesla, you really don't need an Extended warranty, the most important one is the Battery/Drivetrain warranty which is 8 year/120K. If I do get the extended warranty (which is directly from Tesla), it would only be for peace of mine.

In 30,000 miles, I've only had one issue with my Polestar, it had a defective Battery Disconnect Unit which affected Fast charging. That issue came up within the first few thousand miles. Since replacing it, the car has been issue free
Going back to this post regarding extended warranties sold by Stealerships, the same rule applies for prepaid Maint plans pushed on to customers:

Toyota Sued For Maintenance Plan Scam

A woman in California is suing Toyota Motor Credit Corp. and the automaker itself. She is alleging one of Toyota’s dealerships sold her a maintenance plan for 10 service visits and exaggerated the combined savings it would have over the life of the coverage by hundreds of dollars in comparison with the cost of the service she got.

Back in 2020, Solis bought a certified pre-owned 2019 RAV4 from Santa Margarita Toyota in Rancho Santa Margarita, California. She added the optional ToyotaCare Plus maintenance plan that was valid for five years or up to 55,000 miles, financing the $1,025 coverage along with the vehicle itself through Toyota Motor Credit in a 72-month loan with 4.7 percent interest.

According to the lawsuit, she bought the maintenance plan based on the fact the dealer told her it would save money. From Automotive News:
Teresa Solis’ Southern District of California lawsuit did not count as defendants either of the California dealerships mentioned in her allegations, though the case involves 100 unknown “Doe Defendants” to be named later. She claims a Toyota dealership other than where she purchased the contract skipped four of the services and charged her for filters that were supposed to be covered.

Solis’ case accuses the defendants of one count of unjust enrichment, one count of fraud, one count of negligent representation, one count of violating the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, one count of violating the Lanham Act, two counts of violating the California Business and Professions Code and one count of breach of contract.

She also seeks class-action status for everyone who purchased a maintenance plan within 90 days of buying a vehicle from the defendants.
Here’s a breakdown of the service she got and what the dealership told her:
Solis was allegedly told the plan covered seven regular services and three major services occurring at 5,000-mile intervals starting at the 10,000-mile mark — her vehicle had 6,801 miles on the odometer at the time of purchase — and continuing through 55,000 miles. She could redeem the coverage for major services at 15,000, 30,000 and 45,000 miles.

“Toyota told Plaintiff that each Regular Service typically costs $100, and Major Services cost $400,” Solis’ lawsuit stated. “Thus, Defendants represented that Plaintiff’s Maintenance Plan was valued at $1,900.”

But when she brought the RAV4 to Toyota Carlsbad in Carlsbad, Calif., for the 20,000-mile regular service in July 2022, the store allegedly conducted the 30,000-mile major service and billed Toyota only $210. If she had bought the work at the retail price charged consumers, the bill would only have been $380 — also less than the purported $400 the Santa Margarita store had indicated, according to the lawsuit.

At 29,500 miles, Solis brought the RAV4 in for the 30,000-mile major service but allegedly only received the 35,000-mile regular service. Toyota Carlsbad allegedly only charged Toyota $30 and would have only charged her $43 if she paid retail — both less than the $100 she had been told.

“Plaintiff started to recognize a consistent pattern whenever she brought her car in for service,” the lawsuit stated. “Often, the dealership would skip scheduled services and bill Toyota amounts less than the value Plaintiff was told when she purchased the Maintenance Plan. She also realized the cash price for her scheduled services was less than the value Plaintiff was told by Defendants when she purchased the Maintenance Plan.”

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Solis’ lawsuit estimates she’d only have paid between $800 and $900 compared with the $1,900 quoted. Solis’ attorney, John Ternieden, an associate at Singleton Schreiber in Sacramento, Calif., said in an email to Automotive News that “not all regular services were the cash price of $43 .... nor were all major services $380.” Other major services were less than $200 each, he wrote.

“In total, between the seven services our client actually received (which Toyota told her represented the entirety of her plan), the actual cash price would have been less than the price of the maintenance plan,” Ternieden wrote in an email March 11.
The lawsuit said Toyota Carlsbad skipped the regular services for 20,000, 25,000, 40,000 and 55,000 miles that were supposed to be covered by the plan.
The lawsuit said Solis asked the service department about the lower-than-claimed charges and the premature service, and a representative said that “everything was being done as it should, and that Plaintiff was getting exactly what she paid for in the Maintenance Plan.”

At the 45,000-mile mark, the dealership told Solis she only had one more service remaining, not the two she expected, and it said she needed to pay for cabin and air filters even though those expenses were supposed to be included, the lawsuit said.

Even if Solis received all 10 services she was due under the plan, the $1,025 coverage would still have cost more than paying for the work retail, Ternieden said.
Usually, prepaid maintenance plans give buyers a bit of a discount over buying each service as you go, but it looks like that was certainly not the case in this situation.

It’ll be interesting to see if more folks come out of the woodwork saying they didn’t get what they paid for.

https://jalopnik.com/toyota-scammed-...uit-1851368388

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Old Mar 27, 2024 | 11:33 AM
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Gotta love it when the reward for being responsible enough to use your turn signal is other drivers trying to block you
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Old Mar 27, 2024 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by swajames
That was not at all what I took from Amirza's message. I did, however, take something very specific from yours.
So he's 0.05 miles or 80 meters away from the exit he knows he has to take and he's still in the left passing lane? That's reasonable?

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Originally Posted by Allen K
Gotta love it when the reward for being responsible enough to use your turn signal is other drivers trying to block you
It's also funny how people who are chugging along at 50 mph on the freeway (where the speed limit is 65), holding up traffic decide they want to go fast when you signal to change lanes. It's always a SMH moment. But thankfully, EV instant torque wins the day
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Originally Posted by asj2024
So he's 0.05 miles or 80 meters away from the exit he knows he has to take and he's still in the left passing lane? That's reasonable?
Half a mile is plenty of room, especially if you have a high torque EV. And the reason I was half mile before the exit is people driving slow not letting me in when I was more than a mile away. I'm guessing you and the misses are one of those who don't like letting people in....
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0.05 =\= 0.5 you've got a typo in your OP
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Originally Posted by Allen K
0.05 =\= 0.5 you've got a typo in your OP
Sorry....0.50 miles, or half mile
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Look, my Model Y is FAST....but it's not that fast. There's no way on earth I could have accelerated around a line of cars from two lanes away and got off an exit 80 meters away and not crash into something or someone. Hopefully we cleared up this misunderstanding and we can all move on
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agree, let's move on from that topic. Some borderline rude and baiting posts pruned.
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Is this the future of electric transportation?


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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Haha that would never fly in America 🤣Maybe in SF as a rental to get around the city, but that's about it
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I like it! But I also liked the Honda e that never made it stateside
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I was in AZ last week with the fam and our Hertz rental was a 2022 Hyundai Santa Fe. Nice car, thought the interior was very well executed (my mom has a 20 or 21, this one is nicer inside than hers with some nice refreshes). Anyway, it was severely under powered. Driving some mountain roads on our way to the Grand Canyon I couldn't believe how sluggish it felt. After driving an EV with instant torque for 15 months, it really is crazy how you get used to certain driving dynamics. At times the Santa Fe felt borderline unsafe to me, but I assume it's because I was not fully adjusting my driving style to the lack of acceleration available.

Regardless of the brand, I think if more people test drove EV's and experienced the torque and overall driving dynamics they would want to convert sooner than later. There is really no replicating that feeling in anything else.
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Originally Posted by jrmckinley

Regardless of the brand, I think if more people test drove EV's and experienced the torque and overall driving dynamics they would want to convert sooner than later. There is really no replicating that feeling in anything else.


Someone mentioned torque??👀😤
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Someone mentioned torque??👀😤
No lack of torque there 🤣

Im looking from my phone, had to zoom in
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