I currently own a 15 Genesis 5.0 and a 17 LS460L. The Genesis is quite a bit faster, but much less refined than the Lexus. I good product but not on same par. I do realize the 15 Genesis doesn’t compare to a G90, but the engine is the same if you get the V8. Genesis is not as quiet either, but quite a bit sportier.

 

The G80 compares the the GS, it’s just softer than the GS.

 

The other issue with this is once the warranty is over for the G90, do you have a local independent mechanic for issues that will come up? There are many independent Toyota/Lexus repair shops in my area (as well as Lexus dealerships). Do you have a Hyundai Specialist near you because I don’t. Are you comfortable with a general mechanic who is “going to figure it out” on your G90? I’m not real comfortable with that.

My point is this is also a significant factor that could very well force you into the Hyundai dealership experience. This was one of the main reasons I chose not to go with the G90.

 

You don't need a "Hyundai specialist", the same mechanic he has working on his LS can work on the G90.

Thats the great thing about these cars, Lexus included, you don't have to have a "Specialist" work on them.

 

Dealer experience is part of the reason I've purchased the Lexus brand for twenty years. I like being "stroked" at the dealer and recognized by name. I have everything done at my dealer. Sure I could save a few bucks elsewhere but at this point in my life I feel it's deserved.

That new GS 90 is Beautiful!! Will give the new LS a run for the money!

 

I see your point Steve but I personally feel every brand has their particular nuances/issues that are common with a particular model. That's why you see so many mechanics who specialize in a particular brand. Volvo, BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, Toyota, and Honda immediately come to mind in my area. I'll give you an example of what I mean. I used to own a 2008 Jaguar XJL (it was a fabulous car by the way). One of the weak links in that car was the coolant overflow tank that had a really flimsy plastic inlet that was prone to failure. When it did fail, a lot of hot coolant would spray out it and you would have to stop the car and get it towed. When I was taking the car to my regular mechanic he had no idea about this particular problem. On the other hand, when I took the car to a Jaguar specialist, it was one of the first things he asked about and checked. So for me, I see a value for this type of insight and I'm willing to pay more to get it. I don't like surprises. Maybe it all comes down to how skilled and knowledgeable your mechanic is?

Russ

 

I agree with this - for routine things, a good indy mechanic that specializes in import brands is fine. But I do believe each brand has nuances and things that are more prone to go wrong, and therefore the individual brand mechanics are typically more aware of that. When I lived in Atlanta, I found a guy who was the highest-level certified Lexus mechanic who opened his own shop for Toyota and Lexus. There was nothing he didn't know - truly the best of both worlds: indy prices but exclusive Lexus knowledge. I thought I may have had a coolant leak (based on what Lexus told me) in my LS last summer - my Toyota dealer wouldn't touch it, the indy wasn't familiar with the potential area to target (I knew from reading this forum), but Lexus claimed a very specific failure point they've seen in the IS and LS.

 

They just opened a new Genesis dealership in Henderson, Nevada that is not previously associated with Hyundai, but I certainly have more trust in Lexus than other competing brands and I think they are better made cars.

I have owned previously Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, VW, Honda, Mazda, Nissan, GM, and Chrysler, 36 cars in total including trucks and Suv's. Throughout my experience in 45 years of driving, Lexus leads the pack in overall car value , dependability and satisfaction. The late seventies and early eighties S class Mercedes were fabulous cars as well. I would say never owned the Koreans before and I might consider a G90 down the road if it checks all the boxes.

 

As for Lexus dealership and service, I like and trust some salesmen and can sniff crooks miles away, it depends who you are dealing with. As for service, it is 2nd to none in my opinion and certainly better than Porsche, Mercedes and BMW. Price wise it is a bit expensive (much less than the Germans) but worth it unless you are out of warranty and have a great indy mechanic that is specialized in Lexus products.

 

But thats a Jaguar, which is a car you would certainly need a specialist mechanic for. Temperamental high maintenance cars.

These are not Jaguars. The Lexus LS is a Toyota, literally anybody can work on it. Hyundais are the same way, and the G90 is a Hyundai. If you find a good independent mechanic they can do anything they need to do to your LS or a G90.

Thats one of the big benefits of driving one of these asian cars vs a german, british, sweedish, etc one.

 

Would anyone consider a 2017 G90 Premium or would you steer clear as it was the first year of introduction? The same motor was used in the Genesis model and has a good reputation. Your thoughts?

 

I would probably avoid the 2017. They did have some teething issues.

 

So 2018 and higher. I prefer the non aspirated 5.0 V8 over the twin turbo V6 and you also get some more nice features. Do you agree that’s a better choice for the long term?

 

The V8s are very hard to find. Most of them are the TTV6. I too would want the V8.

Buying used I wouldn't choose a G90 over an LS. I think long term you will get more enjoyment out of the Lexus, it still has the edge of being better engineered, it holds its status way longer than the Genesis will (for instance even an old LS looks in place pulling up to a nice hotel or restaurant), and I think from an aging perspective we still don't know how the Genesis will age while the LS ages very well.

Now, if leasing new like I do, its way more attractive. Although I admit, while I would choose a G90 over an LS500, I probably would just go for the S Class.

 

As I said, we're not communicating. It wouldn't bother me to pull up to a palace riding a mule. Who am I trying to impress, why would I care what a car valet, or anyone, thinks?
Leasing, though, is an interesting idea I'd not considered. I've never leased, what should I be aware of? Who is responsible for repairs, etc?