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You can find a bunch of them just Google. Just because there is a recall doesn't mean there were any fires, there is a risk which is why they are recalled.
if your NX was a PHEV it would also have a recall for fire risk.
But your Benz MSRP is close to $130K. Your car costs 4 to 5 times that of a Toyota, which was ranked top 4 in the chart you posted. See why I don't rely on JD Power?
But your Benz MSRP is close to $130K. Your car costs 4 to 5 times that of a Toyota, which was ranked top 4 in the chart you posted. See why I don't rely on JD Power?
So? Its all relative. I didn't spend what I spent on the car for reliability, I spent what I spent for the performance and comfort of the car. Plus like I said at the end of the day Lexus doesn't make a comparable car so there was no Lexus I could buy. The LS500 is nothing like the LS used to be. Plus, I lease them and give them back at 50k miles, same with Lexus...so any extended reliability of the Lexus is wasted on me anyways.
Why would the cost of the car have anything to do with how it ranks on JD Power?
Originally Posted by SaltwaterFishing
I don't believe in nor buy into the whole hybrids/electric vehicle nonsense.
Thats your loss. Our PHEV Pacifica is great, the 35 miles of EV range is terrific, we buy gas like once every 3 months and it drives so great in EV mode. Plus the interior is dramatically nicer than any Toyota, and if we wanted the Sienna it only comes in a hybrid. My next car will very likely be full EV, the way they drive is just too great. This is our third Pacifica, the first one (first year) was a nightmare, but the second and third one have been great.
Toyota is basically going ALL hybrid, so what will you do then?
So? Its all relative. I didn't spend what I spent on the car for reliability, I spent what I spent for the performance and comfort of the car. Plus like I said at the end of the day Lexus doesn't make a comparable car so there was no Lexus I could buy. The LS500 is nothing like the LS used to be. Plus, I lease them and give them back at 50k miles, same with Lexus...so any extended reliability of the Lexus is wasted on me anyways.
Why would the cost of the car have anything to do with how it ranks on JD Power?
If I'm paying 6 figures for a car, it'd better have a combination of performance and reliability. You spend 6 figures on a car and, luxurious or not, if the **** doesn't work or last, what good is it? So you lease your vehicles, okay, that's a different story. After your lease ends, which is probably right around the time the "planned obsolescence" kicks in, it becomes someone else's problem.
You're missing the point in regards to the JD Power rating. If you don't get it and can't connect those dots, no worries.
Originally Posted by SW17LS
Thats your loss. Our PHEV Pacifica is great, the 35 miles of EV range is terrific, we buy gas like once every 3 months and it drives so great in EV mode. Plus the interior is dramatically nicer than any Toyota, and if we wanted the Sienna it only comes in a hybrid. My next car will very likely be full EV, the way they drive is just too great. This is our third Pacifica, the first one (first year) was a nightmare, but the second and third one have been great.
Toyota is basically going ALL hybrid, so what will you do then?
Not sure how that is a loss. I bet you also believe in global warming huh? I don't buy my vehicles based on gas mileage. My Nissans pretty much sit parked in the garage and hooked up on battery tenders. The one time a month I do take them out to get the oil running, I will top off the gas tanks and is about $15. If someone has to worry about the frequency and cost of gas, they probably made some bad financial decisions. You keep bashing Toyota/Lexus and it seems like you have this misunderstanding that I am defending them. I def. am not and as I have said before, I am not a "fanboy" of any particular vehicle manufacturer.
As far as Toyota going all hybrid, currently, their total sales volume for hybrids is around 30% overall their production. This means the majority of buyers are still demanding gasoline engines. Toyota is an entity to make money, and they're not going to convert to 100% hybrid, at least not in the forseeable future. In the OFF CHANCE they do go all hybrid, like I said, I'm not loyal any auto manufacturer, but more importantly, the good news is the majority of Japanese auto makers don't incorporate "planned obsolescence" into their engineering/design, so I'll just hold onto what I have.
If I'm paying 6 figures for a car, it'd better have a combination of performance and reliability. You spend 6 figures on a car and, luxurious or not, if the **** doesn't work or last, what good is it? So you lease your vehicles, okay, that's a different story. After your lease ends, which is probably right around the time the "planned obsolescence" kicks in, it becomes someone else's problem.
Except that I haven't had any issues, so everything does "work and last"
With that said, the W222 S Class actually is really reliable. Lots of people on the forums have 10 year old models with over 100k miles and have no issues. Jury is out on the W223 model that I have now. One of the most surprising things is that air suspension failures on them are almost unheard of where on the LS460 we hear about them all the time. It really depends on the model.
I would have kept my W222 S560 long term without hesitation, in fact I almost did.
Not sure how that is a loss. I bet you also believe in global warming huh? I don't buy my vehicles based on gas mileage. My Nissans pretty much sit parked in the garage and hooked up on battery tenders. The one time a month I do take them out to get the oil running, I will top off the gas tanks and is about $15. If someone has to worry about the frequency and cost of gas, they probably made some bad financial decisions. You keep bashing Toyota/Lexus and it seems like you have this misunderstanding that I am defending them. I def. am not and as I have said before, I am not a "fanboy" of any particular vehicle manufacturer.
I am not worried about gas mileage either, but going from filling up once a week to once every 3 months isn't a bad thing. The reason we got the PHEV Pacifica is it just drives so much better than the gas models. The powertrain is much smoother and the all EV operation is great, the batteries bring weight down low and you feel that in the ride and handling. Thats also why I want to get an EV, not to save money on fuel just because they are incredible to drive.
As far as Toyota going all hybrid, currently, their total sales volume for hybrids is around 30% overall their production. This means the majority of buyers are still demanding gasoline engines. Toyota is an entity to make money, and they're not going to convert to 100% hybrid, at least not in the forseeable future. In the OFF CHANCE they do go all hybrid, like I said, I'm not loyal any auto manufacturer, but more importantly, the good news is the majority of Japanese auto makers don't incorporate "planned obsolescence" into their engineering/design, so I'll just hold onto what I have.
Look at all the new models coming out. Sienna is all hybrid. New ES is all hybrid. Camry all hybrid. Most of their lineup is going to be hybrid.
And I am not bashing Toyota/Lexus at all. I have had 8 Toyota and Lexus vehicles, and still have my old 2003 ES300 which my mother drives. They just don't make anything of the caliber that I am interested in any longer. No V8s, nothing RWD and upscale from Lexus other than the LC (which I love). My point just is, there are other reliable and long lasting and enjoyable cars out there too.
Except that I haven't had any issues, so everything does "work and last"
It's different when you lease vehicles and use it up to the point where it was engineered and designed to fail, but return it before it actually does.
Originally Posted by SW17LS
Look at all the new models coming out. Sienna is all hybrid. New ES is all hybrid. Camry all hybrid. Most of their lineup is going to be hybrid.
Doubt it. You're naming only a few models of the many models. While their hybrid production and presence could increase, the majority will still likely be gas engines.
Originally Posted by SW17LS
No V8s, nothing RWD and upscale from Lexus other than the LC (which I love). My point just is, there are other reliable and long lasting and enjoyable cars out there too.
IS500, RCF, LFA (dated but SEXY V10)?
So it's either V8 or hybrid for you?
I suppose leased vehicles are likely to have the perception of reliability, as they are given back once the lease is up and before the problems start.
It's different when you lease vehicles and use it up to the point where it was engineered and designed to fail, but return it before it actually does.
Agreed.
Doubt it. You're naming only a few models of the many models. While their hybrid production and presence could increase, the majority will still likely be gas engines.
Toyota has said themselves they are moving towards an all hybrid lineup.
IS500, RCF, LFA (dated but SEXY V10)?
The LFA was made 13 years ago, I'm talking about what bthey make now. RCF is no longer made either. IS500 is not the kind of car I want. What I want is an S Class competitor with a V8.
So it's either V8 or hybrid for you?
I wouldn't buy a hybrid for my personal car, for the Pacifica its great. For me I want a V8 or an EV.
I suppose leased vehicles are likely to have the perception of reliability, as they are given back once the lease is up and before the problems start.
Even after the lease period though like I said the W222 generation of the S Class is reliable. Even during the lease terms my LS460s had more issues than my S560 did. Both my LS460s needed brake actuators before 20k miles for instance, my 17 LS460L at 5k miles. Thats a $4,000 job out of warranty.
With Mercedes its model to model and engine to engine what is reliable and what is problematic.
These cars are underbraked, so the rotors get really hot and it causes warping. Warping is actually from pad material being stuck to the rotor in uneven spots, not the actual warping of the rotor. You come to a stop with your foot on the brakes and the rotors are hot and while you sit there with the pads clamping the really hot disc, pad material sticks and you get warping.
Things you can do. After coming to a stop, let the car slide forward a 3-4 inches so that the pad moves along the cooling disc.
What pads were you using with these discs? Did you pair the centric rotors with their ceramic pads? I had that combo and that solved warping for me on the LS460. OEM rotors and pads warped in short order.
Yes I got the matching pads. Here in South Florida, we get hot in general, but one of the problems is very erratic driving. Even if I'm not speeding, I often have to slam on the brakes because some yahoo that didn't signal OR look into his mirrors just decides to change lanes FOR NO REASON.... there is no one in front, he's not passing, he just wants to feel what it's like in this other lane. My beef is that a disc should be able to take a few of those without immediately warping. Again, I DO drive fast (80-85) on the highway. But on local roads I never go over 35-40.
Yes I got the matching pads. Here in South Florida, we get hot in general, but one of the problems is very erratic driving. Even if I'm not speeding, I often have to slam on the brakes because some yahoo that didn't signal OR look into his mirrors just decides to change lanes FOR NO REASON.... there is no one in front, he's not passing, he just wants to feel what it's like in this other lane. My beef is that a disc should be able to take a few of those without immediately warping. Again, I DO drive fast (80-85) on the highway. But on local roads I never go over 35-40.
@mannye hasn't been here since April 30th, probably traded his car in for a Volvo.
Jeez guys.. it's been FIVE DAYS...
I was ...ahem... ::adjusts glasses:: working at the F1 Miami Grand Prix producing media content from Tuesday to Sunday... so... yeah, I'm like coool... man.
::secretly hopes no one realizes it's a freaking nightmare of walking 30.000 ******* steps a day in the heat working while people drink and have fun::
JFC the tangents about reliability... Start a new thread fellas... I feel like my cruise ship has been boarded by Somali pirates or something...
ONE question... can the F brakes be retro fitted to the base model? Are there other brake kits for this car in the 1000-1200 range that will add beefier rotors? OK that was two questions...
I do agree that this much metal stopped by those puny rotors could be the problem. I also completely agree that an anti seize grease on the axle mating surface would probably be a good idea regardless of it being the cause of the pulsing or not. I live across the street from the bay.
JFC the tangents about reliability... Start a new thread fellas... I feel like my cruise ship has been boarded by Somali pirates or something...
ONE question... can the F brakes be retro fitted to the base model? Are there other brake kits for this car in the 1000-1200 range that will add beefier rotors? OK that was two questions...
I do agree that this much metal stopped by those puny rotors could be the problem. I also completely agree that an anti seize grease on the axle mating surface would probably be a good idea regardless of it being the cause of the pulsing or not. I live across the street from the bay.
They certainly can, likely not cost effective. I would assume the caliber is a different part... @Gerf would know better probably. With a larger rotor you would need a different caliper and thats going to be way more than $1,000-$1,200
