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What do you think “problems” are? That study is literally the “Vehicle Dependability Study”. It’s a measure of reliability.
Your opinion is not “the consensus” lol
And to think this is the sperm that won out of the millions....
The chart you posted is a "Brand Ranking". If you read the fine print at the bottom, it states, "Rankings are based on numerical scores, and not necessarily on statistical significance". The other issue with what the fine print doesn't state is what this numerical score is based on. Every aspect of the car? Mechanical only? Cosmetics only? Electrical only?
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What do you think “problems” are? That study is literally the “Vehicle Dependability Study”. It’s a measure of reliability. More problems per 100 vehicles means less reliable. Like I said before we both have cars that are rated below average for reliability and we are both happy with them. That tells you reliability ratings don’t tell you the whole picture. But, any other rating source that shows my cars are below average in reliability also shows your cars are below average in reliability. So I guess we’re both duped.
My Mercedes works great lol. If you’re going to start calling me names though we’re done. You want to have a respectful adult conversation I’m all for it.
Again, any vehicle will work great right before the lease is up. Mind you, your Mercedes model specifically had a bunch of serious recalls. And where is Mercedes on that chart? Didn't even make it on there lol.
And who's calling who names? That previous post was a rhetorical question.
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Again, any vehicle will work great right before the lease is up. Mind you, your Mercedes model specifically had a bunch of serious recalls. And where is Mercedes on that chart? Didn't even make it on there lol.
They don't have enough data to rank a lot of brands, thats the huge drawback to Consumer Reports they only poll their subscribers.
Toyota has also had a lot of serious recalls related to fires, as I showed you. They have recalled millions of cars. Nissan has also recalls over a million cars for fire risks.
And to think this is the sperm that won out of the millions....
I'm not stupid because I don't agree with you. Seeing I'm the one driving the $140k car I think I'm doing fine lol
The chart you posted is a "Brand Ranking". If you read the fine print at the bottom, it states, "Rankings are based on numerical scores, and not necessarily on statistical significance". The other issue with what the fine print doesn't state is what this numerical score is based on. Every aspect of the car? Mechanical only? Cosmetics only? Electrical only?
Yeah, and we are talking about reliability by brand. The JD Power VDS uses mechanical and electronic failures and repairs.
These two sources are the gold standard in the industry for ranking vehicle reliability.
They don't have enough data to rank a lot of brands, thats the huge drawback to Consumer Reports they only poll their subscribers.
So this is biased, got it.
Originally Posted by SW17LS
Toyota has also had a lot of serious recalls related to fires, as I showed you. They have recalled millions of cars. Nissan has also recalls over a million cars for fire risks.
I'd love to see raw data on the frequency and nature of recalls across all vehicles.
Originally Posted by SW17LS
I'm not stupid because I don't agree with you. Seeing I'm the one driving the $140k car I think I'm doing fine lol
Never did I say you were stupid nor because you didn't agree with me. How many times have I gone back to the chart you posted and pointed out the discrepancies, and you still can't seem to connect certain dots.
I paid $110K for the GTR in 2013, which would be about $135K in today's value with adjusted inflation. The difference between you DRIVING a $140K and my $110K car is exactly just that. Since you are leasing it, you are only driving it. I flat out own mine.
Originally Posted by SW17LS
Yeah, and we are talking about reliability by brand. The JD Power VDS uses mechanical and electronic failures and repairs.
These two sources are the gold standard in the industry for ranking vehicle reliability.
Ok so based on this, stay away from Mercedes, Chrysler, VW, and Audi?
What do you think "this is the sperm that won out of the millions" means?
How many times have I gone back to the chart you posted and pointed out the discrepancies, and you still can't seem to connect certain dots.
There are no discrepencies, its a data set that is presented in a chart.
I paid $110K for the GTR in 2013, which would be about $135K in today's value with adjusted inflation. The difference between you DRIVING a $140K and my $110K car is exactly just that. Since you are leasing it, you are only driving it. I flat out own mine.
And you did that with Nissan being rated as below average for reliability. And...its been fine. Thats my point, the ratings are not the be all and end all.
Ok so based on this, stay away from Mercedes, Chrysler, VW, and Audi?
If your primary motivation is to buy a car that is the least likely to need repairs, then absolutely. However, thats not the only criteria and for me is not anywhere near the top of my list when choosing a car.
If I were buying a car to put 200k miles on and my primary goal was the most reliable car I could buy I wouldn't buy any of those cars, but thats not my motivation and I have no interest in keeping a car that long.
What do you think "this is the sperm that won out of the millions" means?
This is subjective and relative. It could mean alot of things. How you interpret something can be completely different than what it could have been intended for.
Originally Posted by SW17LS
There are no discrepencies, its a data set that is presented in a chart.
Incomplete data with missing information and parameters. It's inconclusive.
Originally Posted by SW17LS
And you did that with Nissan being rated as below average for reliability. And...its been fine. Thats my point, the ratings are not the be all and end all.
We were talking about something completely different here, but ok. The Nissan GTR is known strictly for performance, dubbed as "Godzilla". As performance goes up, reliability generally tends to go down. At the time in 2013, the 2012 made significant improvements from the 2009 model debut and with alot of the improvements that carried over to the 2013 models. After extensive research, that's when I decided to buy. Ratings provide a really good general insight, and I'm more likely to review these vs going financially into something blind.
Originally Posted by SW17LS
If your primary motivation is to buy a car that is the least likely to need repairs, then absolutely. However, thats not the only criteria and for me is not anywhere near the top of my list when choosing a car.
If I were buying a car to put 200k miles on and my primary goal was the most reliable car I could buy I wouldn't buy any of those cars, but thats not my motivation and I have no interest in keeping a car that long.
This was the entire basis and point that started this whole thing. Welcome to the conversation.
We were talking about something completely different here, but ok. The Nissan GTR is known strictly for performance, dubbed as "Godzilla". As performance goes up, reliability generally tends to go down. At the time in 2013, the 2012 made significant improvements from the 2009 model debut and with alot of the improvements that carried over to the 2013 models. After extensive research, that's when I decided to buy. Ratings provide a really good general insight, and I'm more likely to review these vs going financially into something blind.
So you prioritized performance over the rated reliability of the brand. Sounds familiar.
Originally Posted by SW17LS
It’s a luxury car, reliability isn’t everything. I want the best driving, best riding car with the best comfort and the best technology and this is it,
You're right, as performance goes up reliability tends to go down. Thats called a tradeoff, and I have come to appreciate the performance over the projected reliability as have you
After extensive research, that's when I decided to buy. Ratings provide a really good general insight, and I'm more likely to review these vs going financially into something blind.
Same here, which is how I found out that the S Class specifically actually has a very good track record for reliability, which is when I made the choice to move from the LS to that with the expectation that it would not be as reliable. It surprised me and was more reliable.
This was the entire basis and point that started this whole thing. Welcome to the conversation.
No, you said that cars that are rated below average in reliability were garbage. By that definition your Nissans are also garbage. We both made the same tradeoff, we bought cars we like that were from manufacturers poorly rated for reliability and we have been satisfied with them despite that.
So you prioritized performance over the rated reliability of the brand. Sounds familiar.
No. That's why I waited because the 1st models of anything always has issues and bugs, and there weren't too many options to choose from with a mixture of reliability and performance.
Originally Posted by SW17LS
You're right, as performance goes up reliability tends to go down. Thats called a tradeoff, and I have come to appreciate the performance over the projected reliability as have you
I don't take any of my cars beyond 4K. The fastest I'll take any of my cars is 70 mph on the highways. No need to purposelessly stress them out.
Originally Posted by SW17LS
No, you said that cars that are rated below average in reliability were garbage. By that definition your Nissans are also garbage. We both made the same tradeoff, we bought cars we like that were from manufacturers poorly rated for reliability and we have been satisfied with them despite that.
It's all relative. But my original point being that American/German cars are not reliable, you said if your primary goal was reliability, you would not have leased your cars.
Sweetie, you ever hear of "planned obsolescence"? "Enough basic skills to keep them running" for American/German cars means replace the entire engine.
If you actually read the back-and-forths, you will see that I have stated a few times that I have no loyalty towards one brand or another. All I really care about is reliability and longevity. I'll go into any lane by choice or force, but either way, I'm coming in
Hahaha this is so entertaining from the guy with the glass automated manual trans car from the company that is the master of disposable junk!
My German cars have been the most reliable things I've owned, catch being the cheapest one was $117k so at that level they actually do have the price freedom to make them properly. Cheap ones no, I actively tell people to avoid them but that's a self inflicted wound if you buy low tier.
Stick with Japanese appliances, they seem to suit you well!
Even when you keep them long term. I know many people with German cars that are quite old and I don't know anybody that has had to replace an engine. Striker has 10+ year old Audis with 100k+ miles and hasn't replaced any of their engines. I myself have owned American cars with over 200k miles and have never replaced an engine. I did replace a transmission.
And one of them is making 810 AWHP.....and running a 9.8 street 1.4 mile on a stock internals engine lol!
If there was an issue with the design it would have blown itself up long ago.
It absolutely is your opinion, and the chart I posted said nothing of the kind. It ranked many German and American carmakers as above average in reliability and above several Japanese carmakers and showed the #2 highest rated carmaker was American.
Here is the chart with all the German and American carmakers highlighted that are above average. Of the 12 carmakers rated above average, 7 are German and American and only 4 are Japanese. Your thinking is just not aligned with reality.
Facts hurt I guess....even those reliability surveys do nothing but prove how reliable EVERYTHING is these days if you bother to actually look at the data sets.
Once again, according to your chart, right under "Brank Ranking", it states "Problems per 100 vehicles". So I guess according to your chart, Lexus outranks everyone in terms of reliability? As I have also stated before, I'm not a fanboy of Toyota/Lexus.
Sucks for Striker, as Audi is ranked really low and VW is ranked last in your chart. Das NOT Auto.
Thats the EA888s fault, absolute trash engine and I warn everyone about it. Thankfully I only own EA398s and an EA824
I would buy the PS NON-slotted/drilled rotors, the slots are audible under heavy braking and may annoy you. Flat rotors are more than capable if you use dot 5.1 fluid to prevent fade and I have yet to have any warp on any cars that have them.
When you say "immediately warping", are you feeling the pulsations (or more of them) right after a hard stop?
How many miles from the time you replace the pads/rotors (or machine them) before you start feeling the vibrations?
I mean shortly after, days or weeks. I'm not sure how the progression of warpage um, progresses, but I have heard things like driving into a puddle with hot brakes can instantly warp them, etc. I try to make my braking, especially when I have a passenger, gradual and not stab at the brakes. But even when I'm alone, I don't slam on the brakes, I don't drive with a foot on the brake, because WTF is that.
To answer the question... I think the latest incident (the discs I'm currently using) started pulsing about 5000 miles in.
